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Junco Partner wrote:8 week deadline put on plans for Irish border.
Varadkar needs to get his skates on then, doesn't he?
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Bend it like Repka wrote: And if in you second vote Remain win by 51% to 49%, do we get another go in a years time, when for example Junker's plan for a common foreign policy are approved?
No. You do it properly. With thresholds. Like every other effing country with half a referenda brain does.

But we didn't. So what you see is what you get - this all bumbling on because it was a bumbled referendum with a bloody awful campaign fought on both sides which culminated in a marginal outcome.
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bubbles1966 wrote:Varadkar needs to get his skates on then, doesn't he?
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Yup.

It's a red herring of course, but it's been allowed to be puffed out of all proportion by our hapless negotiating crew.
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The surprise today was the brutality of the smack down.

May looked visibly shaken in her presser. Think she knows that's it, her numbers up.
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DrVenk wrote:No. You do it properly. With thresholds. Like every other effing country with half a referenda brain does.

But we didn't. So what you see is what you get - this all bumbling on because it was a bumbled referendum with a bloody awful campaign fought on both sides which culminated in a marginal outcome.
You can't set a threshold higher than 50%+1, otherwise it will always be deemed democratically unsound, saying the majority weren't listened to. The 48% lost and won't accept it, so why would 50% plus?

The truth is that there was no widespread support to remain within the EU, and that's even with a blatantly dishonest prospectus being sold by a government that tried to rig the whole thing.

If the true, future proofed, question was set - Leave or Commit to a Euro-state - leave would have won by 30%. I would gladly see another referendum that asked the real question.
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Junco Partner wrote: Redwood then advised investors to take money out of the UK due to the harm Brexit will do.

Ever get the feeling you've been had?
He advised people to invest where the central bank was promoting growth rather than hitting the brakes.
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It's embarrassing now to see May flapping and sputtering about.

She expected the EU were going to go easy on her today.... :P
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Can you imagine the EU v Boris?
If they don't like the 'Chequers proposals'..
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brownout wrote:
And that choice can be made by another referendum

It would be democratic
Turn it in.

You mean it'd be democratic for the whingers and moaners that that didn't get the result they wanted.

f*** everybody else. :fsake:
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smuts wrote:It's embarrassing now to see May flapping and sputtering about.

She expected the EU were going to go easy on her today.... :P
She is our weak link in this whole charade. When we voted out, the cabinet should of been full of MP's that actually want to leave. She's just making a half-hearted attempt at it, and it doesnt appear to be working.
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westham,eggyandchips wrote: Turn it in.

You mean it'd be democratic for the whingers and moaners that that didn't get the result they wanted.

**** everybody else. :fsake:
It seems that the government cannot now achieve the Norway type deal that many voted for - and Farage often referred to, so voters should be given the choice between no deal or remain. Then those who voted leave expecting a Norway type deal can choose which way they want to go now.

Things change and allowing everyone another vote enhances democracy. Brexiteers only fear it because they realise that the 'will of the people' may well now be to remain.
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So now you want to break down one side (but only one side) into smaller groups and discount the smaller groups vote. What about the huge numbers of remain voters that want immigration controls, if we stay they wont get what they voted for so how does your plan accommodate that?

We voted out its a very simple idea to grasp. We have tried to negotiate continued access, we gave in on payments, gave in on ireland, have agreed to a two tier system of rights for eu citizens and uk residents in the EU. We have given in short everything they asked for. In the end, quite fairly, they still wont budge their rules. You want access to the sm you have to agree to their other stipulations, thats fair enough. So we will leave something we already voted on.
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I want everyone to have a vote to choose between no deal or remain, which wasn't the choice we were offered before. Regardless of who is to blame, the deal that we were lead to believe would be easy isn't happening so let's give everyone the simple choice between walking away and remaining. See what the will of the people is. Why are leavers so scared of another vote?
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote:So now you want to break down one side (but only one side) into smaller groups and discount the smaller groups vote. What about the huge numbers of remain voters that want immigration controls, if we stay they wont get what they voted for so how does your plan accommodate that?

We voted out its a very simple idea to grasp. We have tried to negotiate continued access, we gave in on payments, gave in on ireland, have agreed to a two tier system of rights for eu citizens and uk residents in the EU. We have given in short everything they asked for. In the end, quite fairly, they still wont budge their rules. You want access to the sm you have to agree to their other stipulations, thats fair enough. So we will leave something we already voted on.
1) A second referendum could work in a variety of ways - either two stages or to rank your preferred options.
2) I was told it that getting a deal was going to be very simple to grasp. It wasn't. For all the mouth from those leading Brexit, when push comes to shove, they have absolutely nothing.
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We had stage 1. If people want another vote on how we leave thats fine.

Were you, who by?
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote:We had stage 1. If people want another vote on how we leave thats fine.

Were you, who by?
Having had a general election a while back, do we not bother having another?

David Davis, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove.
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[quote="EvilC”]David Davis, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove.[/quote]

Are they people whose views and opinions you’d usually listen to?
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DasNutNock wrote:Are they people whose views and opinions you’d usually listen to?
No, hence I don't go out for a drink with them.
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brownout wrote: Regardless of who is to blame, the deal that we were lead to believe would be easy isn't happening so let's give everyone the simple choice between walking away and remaining.

Your gonna have to back up a claim like that?

Ask ANYONE thats been through a divorce if it was "Easy"?
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A GE is a different animal to a one issue vote but even then you wouldn't have another GE because the losing party didnt like the outcome.

Any links to these simple deal comments?
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