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Says a lot about us. Didnt we shoot ourselves in the foot in that game and gift them a two goal lead?
- a worse start for us than the Tevez season
- inability to score goals against weak sides like blackburn and wigan
- sloppy goals conceded v spurs and wigan
- we scored what three goals against the WHOLE top six last year
-the latter point is the REALLY scary one...sure we battled a few good points, but Zola's formation against these sides HAS to change this year
on paper we havent got a ****ing chance, and if we concede a goal at any stage i just cant see us ever getting more than a point against anyone
will they score ( probably) will we score (possibly maybe) will we score more than one ( what are you smoking you ***t!?)
1-1 at best*
*you see if Diamante doesnt whack in a hat-trick
I agree with that. I feel we need to have that bite to stand a chance
Someone earlier (DC?) posted that under Pardew, and also Curbs, you always felt we stood a chance against the top 4, whereas under Zola we haven't come close to beating any of them. My feeling is that under Zola we try and match them, and use footballing skill, quick passing, etc to beat them. It's the wrong approach, imo
Under Pardew we did very well against Arsenal in particular. I used to regularly say "they don't like it up 'em", and it was that approach, imo, that brought us success. We need a bit of that back to stand a chance against the top teams
Sure, we still need to have a bit of quality in the final third. But most important is to win the battle. Not really a quality you readily associate with Zola, but we ain't gonna beat these teams with pure football. So we need a solid defence, and an even more solid midfield
I feel we need Behrami & Collison to work their socks off in midfield, with Parker between them in the holding role. Not sure if I'd go with Gabbs or Tomkins in the middle, assuming Ilunga is back
It's the 3 players furthest forward where the dilemma is. Well, the 2 players between the solid 3 midfielders & Cole. I'd be tempted to start with the diamond from last season, with Noble at the tip, and then it's a toss up between Jimenez & Diamanti. Must admit I'd probably go with Jimi. It's also gives us options to change the formation later in the game if we need to
Agree with you there Stu, the passion and "up and at em" attitude hasn't been there in Zolas games with the top 4 at UP. We try to match their football which we can't, they just have better players, we have to bring other things to the table. We played ok at home to Arse and Manure but ultimately we failed in both.
missed the game on saturday but by all accounts hines was our best player?
why is everyone ignoring him now, if the lad is full of confidence then start him again with cfc.
at least let's try and be a bit positive!
Are you mental... last season we matched both man u and chelsea. Unlucky not to win either of those games. The 1-0 defeat to man u me and my mate had a tenner on and he wouldnt take it off me because wedeserved to win so much!
**** me, being called mental by a Cornishman........must be some sort of all time low!
Okay, maybe I over-egged the pudding slightly. But the original point stands, imo. That is under Pardew, and Curbs to a lesser extent, I really felt we had a chance in these games. Probably due to the more physical counter-attacking way we were set up
It's a decent point you're making though. Maybe it's just a case of getting one decent result over a top 4 side playing Zola's way, and it'll give us more confidence in future games
You devon lot are so easily offended!
At least we don't have in charge!
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Russ, we haven't made our name for upsetting the top teams on a regular basis by unluckily losing 1-0. Unlucky losses don't stay with me. We have turned these teams over pretty regularly under all managers and that's the point. You can play as well as you want but it's true grit and courage and a massive workrate over all of the 90 mins that gets you over the line in top 4 games, and that's something that we haven't managed under Zola as yet. As I said earlier maybe this Saturday.
Totally appreciate and understand what you are saying DC as i love beating the top 4 teams and like you say we have recently made a habit of doing so, but if you look at the season as a whole when we done that we either got relegated or was bloody close, give me top 10 anyday of the week!!
I may be wrong but I don't think we've beaten the top teams on what you could call a regular basis, we were spoilt a bit under Curbs but more often than not we still lose theses games and the ones we do win just stick in the memory.
We probably average out one big result a year and after doing doubles over Man U and Le Arse maybe we used up a bit of luck a couple of years back, those special days will come again and hopefully on Sat.
Picking up from what someone posted earlier I would play Gabbs alongside Upson if Ilunga's back.
I like Tomkins but feel he is left wanting against tougher competition not to mention the U21 schedule(s) he is on too.
As an aside I watched him playing for England against Greece (U21) on either the 8th or 9th of this month and he almost gifted a similar goal to the one Cole did against Spuds to the Greek striker with only the goalkeeper to beat and in yards of space.
Needless to say there was a huge sigh of relief when the striker screwed it up from Tomkins who, for the most part played quite well. Rest him and give Gabbs 2 games in a row.
Hines was definitely a bright spot, but he was still another absentee in support of Cole. If Jimmy is still out, though, I would be in favor of putting him back up top with Diamonds behind the two.
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