West Ham Utd 1 Chelsea 3 (11/09/10)

[Ridler]

I believe Green is the problem. We've struggled from set pieces since he arrived. I'm not sure the back four trust him. Doesn't command his area. A little short in my opinion, I think goalies should be well over six foot. Great shot stopper but should be pushing around the post if can't hold them, he does parry too many shots infront of him. What's the point of being a good shot stopper if you spill them on a plate for the opposing strikers and are useless dealing with crosses.

Drops too many clangers.

Before you rip into me, wikipedia reckons Green is 6'3, don't believe it, that's the same as David Seaman and an inch shorter than David James.

[Ridler]

I am a little uneasy about expecting great things from Dyer..

He looked fully fit and raring to go,certainly runs at defences, not sure that he has the ability to make space and get in a good pass or shot..

I wasn't too disappointed with LBM's performance and, like the above poster, was disappointed that Behrami was not the one to go in the second half.

Dyer is a wrong un, playing for a contract or move, hope we're clever enough to use it to our advantage and f*** him off at the end of the season. Or give him a pay if you play contract.

[Albie Beck]

I've resolved to not post for 24 hours after a match, it'll save a lot of angst...

Positives yesterday were: Jacobsen (like treacle going forward but solid defensively); Dyer when he came on; Scotty of course - his best performance this season; and the biggest plus was Obinna - looked like a proper player, and he will be key if he keeps this up.

Negatives: aside from the more obvious points, why keep putting the ball up to Cole in the air when it's clearly not working? Why not try and play in to his feet, or get him running in channels? And only Piq went to help Noble at the end when three or four Chelsea players were having a go at him for fouling Ivanovic - smacks of soft team spirit to me.

And Avram - stop changing the ****ing centre of the defence every game - choose your pair and stick with them. As soon as this happens we will be much, much better!

Cheer up Romford :lol:

[the pink palermo]

Negatives: aside from the more obvious points, why keep putting the ball up to Cole in the air when it's clearly not working? Why not try and play in to his feet, or get him running in channels? And only Piq went to help Noble at the end when three or four Chelsea players were having a go at him for fouling Ivanovic - smacks of soft team spirit to me.

And Avram - stop changing the f***ing centre of the defence every game - choose your pair and stick with them. As soon as this happens we will be much, much better!

Good point on the team spirit issue . - however , both Parker and Noble again got yellow cards , thats 3 (?) each already this season and with 4 key games ( Birmingham, WBA,Blackpool and Wigan) in November , both, at this rate could miss games due to being suspended .

They need to reel it in a touch .

As for Cole , many claim he is lazy , others are not as polite .I'm starting to believe he may be playing in some pain , and conserves his runs for when he feels he may get a sniff of a chance .I've just got a horrible feeling his body is shot .

[Pop Robson]

Dyer is a wrong un, playing for a contract or move, hope we're clever enough to use it to our advantage and f*** him off at the end of the season. Or give him a pay if you play contract.

I agree last year of his contract and he's as fit as he's even been, as course I said that about Gabbidon too.

The club will still give him another 2 years, just look at LBM 2 more years of that :shock:

[stu1]

Dyer is a wrong un, playing for a contract or move, hope we're clever enough to use it to our advantage and f*** him off at the end of the season. Or give him a pay if you play contract.

Give the guy a ****ing break, yes he hasn't hardly ever been fit but that's not through his choice and if you believe different then you are foolish.

The bloke has always had injury problems, at least he shows a desire to get fit and shows a positive attitude on the pitch when ever he is on it unlike some.

[saludo de carlitos]

What Stu said, i've been heavily critical of him before, but he is back playing, lets ****ing support him.

[Iron Mark]

Good point on the team spirit issue . - however , both Parker and Noble again got yellow cards , thats 3 (?) each already this season and with 4 key games ( Birmingham, WBA,Blackpool and Wigan) in November , both, at this rate could miss games due to being suspended .

Parker = 2 yellows
Noble = 3

[sicknote]

Dyer is a wrong un, playing for a contract or move, hope we're clever enough to use it to our advantage and f*** him off at the end of the season. Or give him a pay if you play contract.

I agree last year of his contract and he's as fit as he's even been, as course I said that about Gabbidon too.

The club will still give him another 2 years, just look at LBM 2 more years of that :shock:

nonsense

karen brady sent dyer to a specialist they'd used at brum, found a persistent problem with scar tissue from his previous injuries, something never dealt with before and causing dyer to get more injuries, this has been worked on and hopefully will cut back on the chances of future injuries

[Believer]

Dyer doesn't strike me as the type to just disappear at end of his contract. I think he probably knows that he owes the club and fans for the lack of appearances and fully expect him to sign 2 year extension with anything after that being played out at Ipswich.

Him and Parker looked like they could seriously develop an understanding so fingers crossed they both stay fit.....

[Pop Robson]

How long is his driving ban for ?

6 months just found it

[Albie Beck]

As for Cole , many claim he is lazy , others are not as polite .I'm starting to believe he may be playing in some pain , and conserves his runs for when he feels he may get a sniff of a chance .I've just got a horrible feeling his body is shot.

I'm not a Cole-basher, pinky, in fact I've been enthusiastic about him in the past. He may indeed be injured, or suffering a chronic lack of confidence. But whatever the problem is, he's clearly struggling at present. Yesterday he seemed to be back on his heels several times, and could visibly be seen "jumping into action", i.e. there was a definite delay before he moved, rather than him being on the move in anticipation. Very strange...

[the pink palermo]

I'm not a Cole-basher, pinky, in fact I've been enthusiastic about him in the past. He may indeed be injured, or suffering a chronic lack of confidence. But whatever the problem is, he's clearly struggling at present. Yesterday he seemed to be back on his heels several times, and could visibly be seen "jumping into action", i.e. there was a definite delay before he moved, rather than him being on the move in anticipation. Very strange...

Albie - I know you aren't having a pop at him - I think we have a similar opinion - he's certainly not what he was , say a year or so ago , and the rumoured willingness of the club to listen to offers - for a player who has scored the bulk of our goals for a few seasons now , suggests to me the club know his body is shot .

Why else would we be looking to sell an England striker ?

On song, he draws 3 defenders and holds them off , but I worry when his work rate looks low - I simply refuse to believe it's due to laziness . Surely his team mates would dig him out if they felt he wasn't giving his all .Have a look at Kevin Doyles channel running for Wolves against us at home last season - awesome .

Perhaps we expect too much , and 10 goals a season is a good return for a relatively low cost player .

[Albie Beck]

Perhaps we expect too much , and 10 goals a season is a good return for a relatively low cost player .

That's the thing - the first half of last season showed how much he's capable of, so I think we are right to expect a decent standard, and to wonder why he isn't achieving it.

But if it's injury or loss of form, at least we may have acquired some viable alternatives this season.

[Bergen Hammer]

Thanks all, much more enjoyable than usual.

UTJ, up it to thirty quid!

Hadn't even thought about it up til now, but by george it has been much more enjoyable on here hasn't it... a match thread with a bit of common sense about it, fantastic

oh my,

who ate the biscuit?

[richneal]

Glad to see we're continuing our consistent league form

[WoodgateHammer]

Well, talking of goal keeping f*** ups... how's this:

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Enjoy

[sendô]

Green's confidence is shot to pieces. It might be a while before he gets back to his best for us.

Still, given how he got shot to pieces by all and sundry in the summer, anyone else catch Hart's suicidal charge out for Blackburn's goal at the weekend?

[Clacton-ammer]

Green's confidence is shot to pieces. It might be a while before he gets back to his best for us.

Still, given how he got shot to pieces by all and sundry in the summer, anyone else catch Hart's suicidal charge out for Blackburn's goal at the weekend?

:lol:

The state of English goalkeeping is definately on the up.....

As for Saturday, not sure I could take much from it, some decent performances from a few of our lads but the game was over after the second and the Chavs didn't break a sweat all game, what can we pick from that really? The season starts against Stoke, I have seen some little sparks to make me optimistic over the next six games.

[Hammerhead9]

It would well be interesting to see what the Goalkeeping Coach's course of actions or responses will be in the wake of the Chelsea game.

Of course this relies heavily on how they perceived Green's performance and whether they had even known about any strengths and weaknesses he may have had, or as was evident on Saturday, those weaknesses he continues to have.........

Sort it out Groves ffs! It must be really hard to have Green work on meeting cross after cross after bloody cross at training. Get 'im punching the balls, palming the balls, :lol:, catching the balls ffs.......

Get other players milling around him at these training pieces jostling, bumping, and yes even punch the bloke a couple of times......

Get 'im confident, at the very least to within the 6 yard box for crosses. Here's a hint. Walk Green to the very edge of the 6 yard box and ask him to peer over. Once there he will see the error of his ways.

If possible ask Robert to take another step further.......to hell with that, take him by the arm and walk him the full 18 yards..and yes make him look back.

Aside from all the abovementioned, How has that, telling players to hurl abuse at Green's WC blunder training exercise turnout?

rant over coat....