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I hear that italian bloke down at swindons doing well, certainly knows what makes our fans tick . :wink:
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The Moth wrote:
I hear that italian bloke down at swindons doing well, certainly knows what makes our fans tick . :wink:
I'd have the Italian bloke who was driving that Cruise ship in front of this boring cowardly Dinosaur
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Some football would be a start...

Some pace, some width and an ounce of invention.

Its not hard.

EVERYTHING is based around not losing...what a cowardly way to operate
Isn't there a case for saying that this is as much down to our personnel*? I'm not convinced that Sam had an awful lot to spend in the Summer. Perhaps Nolan was not the right West Ham choice as a marquee signing, aside from him, what did we actually spend?

And did he bank on selling Stanislas; loaning Barrera? He played these players in pre-season. Stanislas fought with him, I believe, and Barrera was unsettled in England.

Again, what does Sam need to do this month, for you? He's got by with huge numbers of injuries all season and we're still sitting pretty, even if we're not playing pretty.



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This season,in my opinion, results and points are everything

That said, we need to be scoring more goals to achieve what we need to be achieving: 'promotion'

So why Sam didn't bring on Baldock for CC is beyond me

But, hey. the points are in the bag, so let's move on and be happy 8-)
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Romford wrote: EVERYTHING is based around not losing...
This is the heart of the issue, and is directly linked to the muted crowd .

As soon as someone kindly showed me the starting line up as I got into Fratton yesterday , and it was an obvious 451 , my heart sank .I, and everyone else that attends reguarly knew what was coming for the next 90 minutes .

However to see them go down to 10 men , us have a goal advantage and us not introduce a player who could have stetched them ..........really was hard to take .

I know why he won't take a risk - and I pointed out in my match roundup the risks when you change shape , but understanding why a manager is making the decisions he is , does not mean I have to like them , let alone act as a cheer leader .

Pragmatic, professional but dull to watch .
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Smonnie wrote:
Would you be happy with Allardyce's chosen formation if, for example, he signed a tricky winger who played every match, started playing Baldock at home, bought a younger, quicker, more dynamic midfielder than Diop to play the defending role... etc etc. Or are you going to be unhappy until we play 4-4-2 every match, sack Nolan and ban long balls in all their forms?
It would be a start! If he did all that, decent football would (probably) follow. But Romford pretty much said what I would, 'Respect The Point' is really a load of codswallop.
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We're 2nd in the league ffs. :raver:
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Smonnie wrote:
Isn't there a case for saying that this is as much down to our personnel*? I'm not convinced that Sam had an awful lot to spend in the Summer. Perhaps Nolan was not the right West Ham choice as a marquee signing, aside from him, what did we actually spend?

And did he bank on selling Stanislas; loaning Barrera? He played these players in pre-season. Stanislas fought with him, I believe, and Barrera was unsettled in England.

Again, what does Sam need to do this month, for you? He's got by with huge numbers of injuries all season and we're still sitting pretty, even if we're not playing pretty.

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I think the personnel makes his outlook stupid and even more cowardly. You show me a squad with more quality than ours in ths league. Short on numbers and pace maybe...but he bought the slowest players into the squad for top money.

What Sam needs to do is to bring some pace into the wide areas....and add some invention into the centre of the park. Someone who can hit a a quality set play is a must.

These should have been in 2 weeks ago...

Lets be honest though...Sam wouldn't listen to anyone, thats what the major problem is. The bloke fancies himself big time.
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Allardyce has worked out this league...don't make a mistake, just capitalise on the other team's. Brighton was the best example.

I don't think it's acceptable to just say "we're 2nd in the league", the football is dire and Curbishley-esque. With the players we have available there should be at least a bit of creativity. With Diop playing, we have enough freedom to attack so why not exercise it?

My only comfort is that I think Allardyce is solely being used to get us out of the league and then replaced in the Premiership. That I could tolerate but if we go up and continue playing like this, we'll be doing all this again.
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libero wrote:This season,in my opinion, results and points are everything

That said, we need to be scoring more goals to achieve what we need to be achieving: 'promotion'

So why Sam didn't bring on Baldock for CC is beyond me

But, hey. the points are in the bag, so let's move on and be happy 8-)
What is the point of that...get promoted then have the season from hell next year ??
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Romford wrote: I think the personnel makes his outlook stupid and even more cowardly. You show me a squad with more quality than ours in ths league. Short on numbers and pace maybe...but he bought the slowest players into the squad for top money.
But our squad is also not yet a team. Over half of our starting XI in any given week didn't play for us last season. We have had a typically West Ham-number of injuries. And with each player comes a different playing style and philosophy. It's tough, and that togetherness and continuity which we lack is exactly what Southampton have.
Romford wrote: What Sam needs to do is to bring some pace into the wide areas....and add some invention into the centre of the park. Someone who can hit a a quality set play is a must.

These should have been in 2 weeks ago...
The difficulty there is that we need players with more than just pace. Look at Obinna, for example. He'd have been a liability in front of Danny Potts, and probably even in front of George McCartney.

We have a set piece specialist in Taylor, and I personally would be content to see a front five that looks like this:

Cole

Taylor Nolan Pacy RW

Noble DM

I think in Noble and Taylor we have the creativity, passing, vision that we need. We just need an outlet. And I don't buy into Diop because I think our midfield needs pace. We need a Parkeresque player (the Parker that plays for England).

One issue we have is that we can't have the creative player (Benayoun is the example people keep giving) playing behind Cole, because rightly or wrongly, Sam signed Nolan, and will now play him whenever possible.

Romford wrote: Lets be honest though...Sam wouldn't listen to anyone, thats what the major problem is. The bloke fancies himself big time.
Coldsore and all :lol:
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Av it wrote:Not saying you can't p[lay good football and be top. But it amazes that people are moaning and we are joint top! The other thing that grates is the "West Ham way." Get real, we haven't played the "West Ham way" for years. The time is past where other fans saw West Ham as a team that played good football. Not just this season, years and years ago. I can remember watching some atrocious teams at the Boleyn down the years. Yet the fans never moaned like everyone is now.

Believe me fans would moan like **** years ago but would still show up in numbers,still no change there then, now weve got this internet lark you can read more about our wonderful support slagging us off and talking b*llocks
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Noble is the only fella who has bought any creativity to the pitch this season...and lets not forget that the Coward dropped him and tried to get him away from the team. He obviously didn't want any of that nonsense.

BFS changes the team every week....so you could have Messi and Ronaldo and you wouldn't get any continuity. This is a problem i have moaned about all season.

Taylor cannot handle this league....and the amount of games that come along. He must be seen as being a bonus whenever fit and plan against him not playing.

Parker would not do much for thgis team...as its so easy to defend against. The oppos full backs can play virtually as an extra couple of centrebacks and that makes it even more harder for our midfield and forward.

Until we start spreading the defence and working the full backs wide...we will not make the most of Kevin Nolan.

How many goals would Fat Frank score if Chelsea had never played with wingers ??
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Believe me fans would moan like **** years ago but would still show up in numbers,still no change there then, now weve got this internet lark you can read more about our wonderful support slagging us off and talking b***ocks
Did you go yesterday ?

Let me guess...

Not another "fan" who didn't put his money or time up but slags off the opinions of those who did .

Now thats what I call bow locks Headbanger
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Yesterday really pissed me off utter ***** from start to finish and holding on against a poor team with 10 men . Sam doesnt give a f*** about us fans who work all week to earn the cash to travell around the country to watch piss poor football with no creativity at all . When we had the ball if was loads of passing around but no end result . I know we are second but it pisses me off watching this week in week out , i know ill keep on going but im thinking if we go up we wont be up for long
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Romford wrote:
Did you go yesterday ?

Let me guess...

Not another "fan" who didn't put his money or time up but slags off the opinions of those who did .

Now thats what I call bow locks Headbanger
Did actually, stayed with a few pals in pompey opinions eh
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For those who get the megabus train to this game, did it stop at Fratton? And could you pick it up at Fratton on the way home?
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Did actually, stayed with a few pals in pompey opinions eh
Its a miracle...

You posted at 2pm and then went straight to the game

You lie as well as you talk football :asleep:

Thats really whats the problem with this website.

People like you that are happy with winning... whatever way it comes about....and then lie when fronted.

I have no problem with opinions...its when you started slagging off our fans when it starts getting personal
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AJ wrote:For those who get the megabus train to this game, did it stop at Fratton? And could you pick it up at Fratton on the way home?
It was a normal slow SWT service...you could pick it up anywhere as it stopped every two minutes Headbanger
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" That said, we need to be scoring more goals to achieve what we need to be achieving: 'promotion'. So why Sam didn't bring on Baldock for CC is beyond me "

Libero, we we are 1-0 up, when we haven't conceded a goal in this game and have scored one already, you don't need to score more goals to win the game and get the 3 points.

" As soon as someone kindly showed me the starting line up as I got into Fratton yesterday , and it was an obvious 451 , my heart sank .I, and everyone else that attends reguarly knew what was coming for the next 90 minutes .

I know why he won't take a risk - and I pointed out in my match roundup the risks when you change shape , but understanding why a manager is making the decisions he is , does not mean I have to like them , let alone act as a cheer leader . "

Then more fool you and them for going to watch it Pinky. We worked out back in August that away from home we'd be seeing 4-5-1, what we hadn't worked out at that stage is what we'd see at home.

My red above, my normal below.

It all goes back to what i have been saying for a while now, you people who go & spend your hard earned money watching this don't have to, that's the first and most important thing, you're not forced to go and before you say " i bought a season ticket " then i believe that you should have been aware of the fact that we were gonna get results this season by hook or by crook, not how we necessarily want them and i highly doubt you could not have seen it beforehand.

But another big thing is the fact that again i can't believe how naive some people are being, promotion is VITAL for our Club this season otherwise i fear we'd slip into oblivion because the Dave's don't have a bottomless pit of money & i know they won't continue to bail us out with their personal fortune, which is nowhere near as big as many seem to think it is anyway.

So they employed a Manager to get us out of this division and he's doing that so far and he's doing it the way he feels is the best way to do it, and good luck to him for sticking to his guns & not bowing to people who think we should take Carlton Cole off for Baldock when we're winning 1-0 away from home amongst a whole host of other things..
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