West Ham Utd 2 Millwall 1 (04/02/12)

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West Ham Utd 2 Millwall 1 (04/02/12)

Postby Bobby Orangeboom on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:39 pm

Ipswich is history so 2 Match threads, 2 x 1-0 wins for me.. :thup:

I'll update it later.

It's not just any game so a little bit of the history behind it.

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West Ham v Millwall: a history of how the rivalry started

On a torrid night for the Metropolitan Police it was striking to hear them describe the chaos instigated by marauding hordes of West Ham and Millwall hooligans as "pre-planned". Too right. It had been pre-planned for over 100 years.

It is difficult to imagine two sets of supporters predisposed to go at each other with a more elemental fury than these two.

As rivalries go, Arsenal versus Tottenham does not enter the equation; nor, even, do some of the more notorious enmities in the world game - Galatasaray versus Fenerbahce, for instance.

Indeed, a walk along the approaches to the Ali Sami Yen in Istanbul seems almost a pleasant stroll, compared to running the gauntlet down Green Street.

Tuesday's aberration of a football match was scarcely 10 minutes old by the time West Ham fans struck up a refrain of, "If you hate Millwall, stand up."

Conventionally this is a mindless rallying call for the hardcore elements, but at Upton Park it was heeded by 20,000 people.

The sad irony was that most were too one-eyed in their aggression to know what they were doing, still less to appreciate how or why such an animus originated.

At one level, this is a rivalry that revels in its illogicality. For a start, West Ham and Millwall are not especially close geographically, and on opposite sides of the Thames. Surely if Millwall are to loathe anyone, they would be better off picking on Crystal Palace, their only South London adversaries of note?

But no, such are the quirks of English tribalism that Palace resort to an age-old feud with Brighton, while Millwall store up all their hostile energies for a trip across the river.

The feeling is mutual: West Ham fans regard Millwall's territory of south Bermondsey as a wasteland; Indian country, if you like. Seldom can Tower Bridge have formed so stark a demarcation.

The roots of such sentiment reside in events of 83 years ago, when an antipathy developed between two shipyards on either side of the Thames.

To the north you had the workforce of the Royal docks (drenched in the claret-and-blue of West Ham) and to the south, the Millwall, London and Surrey docks (Millwall 'til they died). When the Millwall shipyard broke the 1926 dockers' strike, the outrage over the water raised tensions to tipping point.

The significance of the strike, while often invoked, can be overstated. The decline of the docks, coupled with the divergence in league positions of West Ham and Millwall, meant that the two clubs hardly bothered one another in the Thirties and Forties.

Of more recent relevance was the glorification in London of gang warfare, between the Krays in the East End and the Richardsons in the south-east.

Lurid tales abounded of what Reggie Kray did with a carving knife, or what Charlie Richardson was capable of with a bolt cutter.
Inevitably, one offshoot of this was a Sixties culture of bragadoccio on the terraces of the Den and Upton Park, a competition to see who was the better fighter.

Fighting proved to be the order of the day. At the 1972 testimonial in honour of Harry Cripps - renowned Millwall hard man, with a name straight out of a crime novel - there were police horses on the pitch.

An even bleaker turn came in 1976, when Millwall fan Ian Pratt died in a skirmish with West Ham fans at New Cross station that led to his fall under a train.

Leaflets were later handed out in the Den's Cold Blow Lane end with a grainy picture of Pratt and a declaration in capital letters: "A West Ham fan must die next week to avenge him."

And yet to establish a historical rationale for this rivalry seems to confer a dignity upon it that it does not deserve.

If the mayhem of Tuesday night proved anything it was that the fixture has now become a straightforward demolition derby, a mass brawl for those who like nothing better.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:41 pm

Glad you got in there before Dan1326. Look what happens when he starts a match thread ?
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby RyanWHUFC on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:47 pm

Dan1326 should be banned from posting just until after this game. :wink:

Well in BO

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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Kitt the car on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:47 pm

Pubs? only kidding.

Looking forward to this, we never seem to get a decent win against these so a 1-1 draw.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Pop Robson on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:48 pm

After tonights result I'm concerned now about Saturday, millwall will be way more up for it than our players.

Live on the box, probably plenty of empty seats as many STH's won't come, so the Chicken Run could look quite empty on tv.

I still have nightmares about the 4-1 back at their place years ago :arry:
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Dan1326 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:49 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:Glad you got in there before Dan1326. Look what happens when he starts a match thread ?


Sorry :cry:
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby HammerMan2004 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:51 pm

............................Green..................................
O'Brien...........Faye.......Tomkins.......McCartney
Vaz Te...........Noble.......Diop...............Taylor
.....................Maynard....Baldock....................
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby hawkins_hammer on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:51 pm

Other than Nolan, who is really good, I dunno who he will play for this.

He might even drop Green as the stats show he conceded five in his last game.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:51 pm

Don't feel the need to start another match thread. Do us all and yourself a favour and wait a few moments and leave it to somebody else
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:53 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:............................Green..................................
O'Brien...........Faye.......Tomkins.......McCartney
Vaz Te...........Noble.......Diop...............Taylor
.....................Maynard....Baldock....................


Do you not think that defence looks a bit weak ?
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby HammerMan2004 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:54 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:Do you not think that defence looks a bit weak ?


Who else have we got? :lol:
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Whufc06 on Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:55 pm

Faye must start. We need some strength against Henderson. Also I'd start Vaz Te and Maynard if the join.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:00 pm

Well, I don't like O'Brien and I would put Demel in there and I think we should have been looking for a left back in this window and I am staggered we haven't. I think we totally overlooked this and not that you put him in your team, but I would never, ever, play Faubert, ever again
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby RyanWHUFC on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:03 pm

Green
O'brien, Tomkins, Faye, McCartney
Vaz Te, Noble, Nolan, Taylor
Baldock, Cole

Subs: Reid, Lansbury, Maynard, Collison, Faubert.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Soton_Hammer on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 pm

------- Green -------

O'Brien----Faye---Reid----Linda

------------- Diop---------

Collison----Noble---Lansbury---- O'neil

-------------Nolan---------

--------------Cole---------

Subs: Boffin, Tomkins, Taylor, Piquionne, Carew

I want to say win and I hope we do but after tonight I cant see it :?
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby one mcavennie on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:08 pm

Pop Robson wrote:After tonights result I'm concerned now about Saturday, millwall will be way more up for it than our players.

Live on the box, probably plenty of empty seats as many STH's won't come, so the Chicken Run could look quite empty on tv.

I still have nightmares about the 4-1 back at their place years ago :arry:


I still think it'll be pretty packed. Season ticket holders who dont go will prob pass onto family or friends and I'm pretty sure there are only a couple of thousand left on sale
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:09 pm

Soton_Hammer wrote:------- Green -------

O'Brien----Faye---Reid----Linda

------------- Diop---------

Collison----Noble---Lansbury---- O'neil

-------------Nolan---------

--------------Cole---------

Subs: Boffin, Tomkins, Taylor, Piquionne, Carew

I want to say win and I hope we do but after tonight I cant see it :?


Not surprised mate with that team. We have just signed 3 new players and you wouldn't have any of them anywhere near the team ?
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Coledinho on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:10 pm

Green
Demel Faye Tomkins McCartney
Morrison Nolan Noble Taylor
Maynard Cole

Lansbury, Baldock, Vaz Te, Reid, Collison
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Douthy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:13 pm

The team i would pick:

-----------------GREEN-----------------

JOB---TOMKINS--FAYE---TAYLOR

---------DIOP------NOBLE-------------

MORRISON------------VAZ TE------

-------------MAYNARD-----------------

The team big sam will pick:

----------------GREEN-------------------

JOB--TOMKA--REID---LINDA

-FAUBERT--NOBLE-DIOP-TAYLOR

----------------NOLAN-------------------

---------------CARLTON----------------

My team wins 3-0, sams gets a 0-0, 1-1 or a lucky one goal win.
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Re: Millwall Match Thread

Postby Centre Half on Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:13 pm

Green
Demel... Faye... Tomkins... Linda

Morrison... Noble... Nolan... Taylor

Maynard... Baldock

subs: Collison, Cole, Lansbury, Faubert, Reid
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