West Ham United 1 Portsmouth 2 (26/12/06)
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The Rio lower is always quiet mate, even if we were top of the league you could let one go in row A and it'd be heard in row Z.Ivelookedeverywhere wrote:that was ****ing depressing today. The atmosphere was bad. i was in dr martins lower today and it was dead quiet. people around me werent even singing 'bubbles' at the beginning. Did anyone hear the pompy supporters saying/singing 'shhhhhh' and when they went quiet it was like a ****ing library.
the performance was just as bad. do they do any training/routines??? the passing and crossing was just *****.
im seriously worried, konchesky's throw-in, in the second half summed it up today.
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I honestly thought that Konchesky was fu*king woeful today. When is he going to learn that hitting a 60 yard ball to Harewood is not going to work. It has not worked all season. Best players for me, Tevez - showed passion and fight, Sheringham - very good in places and dare I say it...Daily - that man can cross a ball!
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Nobody could have watched the same game as you.antony wrote:Did people watch the same game as me?!!!!!
Zamora wasn't very good but was a trillion times better than harewoods diabolical display.
In the one I saw, I saw Zamora to be every bit as bad as Harewood.
Neither of these two c@nts can head so quite how they became pros is beyond me.
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This performance just brought back horrible memories from the year we went down. It was just utter crap and apart from the last 10mins NO one was interested or prepared to fight for the cause. I fear us going down unless we buy players who have the ability to scrap especially in the middle of the park.
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Well, I watched the one where Zamora put in a ton of running, held the ball up okay, often linked play well but was painfully lacking in confidence close to goal (like ever other WHU player, bar Sheringham).Adam 'The Smudge' wrote: Nobody could have watched the same game as you.
In the one I saw, I saw Zamora to be every bit as bad as Harewood.
Neither of these two c@nts can head so quite how they became pros is beyond me.
In the game I saw, West ham started really well, must have had 70 per cent of the ball in the first 10-15 mins. They conceded an unbelievably sloppy goal from a set-piece (either Harewood or Zamora went AWOL) and then just fell apart mentally.
We desperately need someone with a bit of presence, a bit of fight and a bit of experience in central midfield or defence, just to kick the babies around him into action - but they don't seem to make that Dave Mackay/Billy Bonds/Tony Adams/Roy Keane type any more.
We might have been okay if we'd gone in one-down. But then we give the same f*cking goal away and suddenly it's like the darkest days of the Championship, all over again.
The low point? A toos-up between HRC on the edge of their area, in space, unable to decide what to do until they come up and take the ball off him, or Marlon running round and round in circles on the touchline, when he's given the perfect ball to run onto.
They deserved to be booed off at half-time and funnily enough my 8 year-old was a bit like that silly tw*t who's proud of leaving at half time because he wanted to quit too. Difference weas I could tell him not to be so bloody daft and second half, with Tevez on and Yossi finally getting a bit of energy into his game, we were a different side.
Look, it's dead simple ..
If we are as mentally frail as we were between the 15th and 45th minute, we'll go down. In fact, we'll be lucky to get 30 points.
If we turn up at every game, for 90 minutes, the way we did against ManU and in the second half today, we'll be mid-table, easy.
Sadly, I fear the first option is the more likely of the two.
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Brilliant assesment of the game, Countryboy.Countryboy wrote:
Well, I watched the one where Zamora put in a ton of running, held the ball up okay, often linked play well but was painfully lacking in confidence close to goal (like ever other WHU player, bar Sheringham).
In the game I saw, West ham started really well, must have had 70 per cent of the ball in the first 10-15 mins. They conceded an unbelievably sloppy goal from a set-piece (either Harewood or Zamora went AWOL) and then just fell apart mentally.
We desperately need someone with a bit of presence, a bit of fight and a bit of experience in central midfield or defence, just to kick the babies around him into action - but they don't seem to make that Dave Mackay/Billy Bonds/Tony Adams/Roy Keane type any more.
We might have been okay if we'd gone in one-down. But then we give the same f*cking goal away and suddenly it's like the darkest days of the Championship, all over again.
The low point? A toos-up between HRC on the edge of their area, in space, unable to decide what to do until they come up and take the ball off him, or Marlon running round and round in circles on the touchline, when he's given the perfect ball to run onto.
They deserved to be booed off at half-time and funnily enough my 8 year-old was a bit like that silly tw*t who's proud of leaving at half time because he wanted to quit too. Difference weas I could tell him not to be so bloody daft and second half, with Tevez on and Yossi finally getting a bit of energy into his game, we were a different side.
Look, it's dead simple ..
If we are as mentally frail as we were between the 15th and 45th minute, we'll go down. In fact, we'll be lucky to get 30 points.
If we turn up at every game, for 90 minutes, the way we did against ManU and in the second half today, we'll be mid-table, easy.
Sadly, I fear the first option is the more likely of the two.
I found today really depressing to be honest and it's ruined my Boxing Day. I spoke to a couple of fans after the game, and while they were raging, I just felt numb. For all the criticism that West Ham fans have given Harry both during and after his time with us, he knows how to motivate and get the best out of his sides. He's given a lot of them purpose, such as Campbell and Johnson, in Campbells case reinventing him into a player that wants to play again.
We're not moving forward as a club, we're moving sideways. That 1-0 performance against Manchester United could have been achieved under Pardew, in the same way he masterminded the win against L'Arse. The players have not improved in their play particularly under the new management and NRC's 'extra' zest again disappeared after United went back up north. In general, they continue to lack confidence and motivation which I was convinced Curbs would have been able to reinstall.
The continued misuse of Tevez amazes me, as welll as the dumping of Javier Mascherano. Yet again there is politics surrounding them both as Eggert plots their exit probably as we speak. Fortunately, Curbs realised that Carlitos was needed and I can only pray that he realised the benefits of Tevez as oppose to the incompetent Harewood along with a rock bottom Zamora who is scared witless of playing for us at the moment. I'm begging both Eggert and Curbs to see the light and realise that if we are to stay up, they must put their feelings towards Kia and the deal aside, giving the Argentines a chance to aid our now desperate cause.
Yes, desperate because I really cannot see us staying up. The atmosphere and feeling around Upton Park, as well as people I talk to, smacks of 2003.
Quite frankly, I'm very worried for our future once again.
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Just wondered if you'd read the "Shocked" article on the home page. My reading of that is that at ****ing long last they may both play on Sat. fingers toes etc crossed.PaulTheHammer wrote: Brilliant assesment of the game, Countryboy.
I found today really depressing to be honest and it's ruined my Boxing Day. I spoke to a couple of fans after the game, and while they were raging, I just felt numb. For all the criticism that West Ham fans have given Harry both during and after his time with us, he knows how to motivate and get the best out of his sides. He's given a lot of them purpose, such as Campbell and Johnson, in Campbells case reinventing him into a player that wants to play again.
We're not moving forward as a club, we're moving sideways. That 1-0 performance against Manchester United could have been achieved under Pardew, in the same way he masterminded the win against L'Arse. The players have not improved in their play particularly under the new management and NRC's 'extra' zest again disappeared after United went back up north. In general, they continue to lack confidence and motivation which I was convinced Curbs would have been able to reinstall.
The continued misuse of Tevez amazes me, as welll as the dumping of Javier Mascherano. Yet again there is politics surrounding them both as Eggert plots their exit probably as we speak. Fortunately, Curbs realised that Carlitos was needed and I can only pray that he realised the benefits of Tevez as oppose to the incompetent Harewood along with a rock bottom Zamora who is scared witless of playing for us at the moment. I'm begging both Eggert and Curbs to see the light and realise that if we are to stay up, they must put their feelings towards Kia and the deal aside, giving the Argentines a chance to aid our now desperate cause.
Yes, desperate because I really cannot see us staying up. The atmosphere and feeling around Upton Park, as well as people I talk to, smacks of 2003.
Quite frankly, I'm very worried for our future once again.
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To be honest hammer_sandwich, I wouldn't get your hopes up. He mentions Javier's name once and then moves on to discussing other players very quickly. I thought he was pretty non-commital and not that clear on what his plans are for player changes. He said he has to assess what he is going to do, he realises something has to be done but he'd like a few more results first? Um...how do you get results without making those changes he talks about?Alan Curbishley wrote:Mascherano? I've looked at another couple of players; ... So it's an ongoing situation, but obviously I've got to assess it and do something about it and we'll be desperately trying to do that but I'd like a few more results first.
Curbs confuses me.
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Its all well and good to play people like Zamora who will run and run and commit 100% but you have to be honest, he does not look like scoring at all at the moment. Because of the position we are in we need goals rather then peformance and the only two forwards we played who looked dangerous and like they could do something was the two who came on at half time.
Tevez and Teddy have to start against Man City.
Tevez and Teddy have to start against Man City.
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I've just finished watching the game, and am actually optimistic. I think Countryboy was spot on in saying the second half was a vast improvement, with Tevez and Yossi looking really bright. Tevez on the left was a lot better than Matty, who, imo isn't Prem quality. Dailly looked ok on the right, and proved he could cross a ball.
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Been busy all afternoon thus the lateness of my response....
Well, it weren't great.
The first half was awful in every way...the crowd were pathetic and after the first 10 minutes so were the players. We started brightly and I was feeling good about the match but their goal changed everything, and we fell apart. I was desperate for half-time before we conceded another but sadly it didn't come quickly enough....we can't seem to take OR defend set pieces. Has become a real problem...
Second half both crowd and team were much better and we almost snatched what would have actually been a deserved point.
Not a great day but I'd rather lose this one than the next one...best to look at it like that I think...
Heads up everyone.
Ratings:
Green-6 His poorest performance for us thus far. Just didn't command like he usually does...could do nothing about either goal though.
Konchesky-4 Ouch that was bad. Just how bad his crossing was became clearest when DAILLY of all people came on, had a few goes at crossing and ALL were better than the many Konch produced in the entire game. Rubbish.
Gabbidon-3 Danny Danny Danny...were you just not ready to come back? He was abysmal today. Maybe down to fitness I don't know but he was truly awful.
Ferdinand-6 Didn't do much wrong and I actually think he was starting to like playing with Collins before he got injured...
Spector-6 Also a reasonable performance. Lots of effort at least...
Etherington-5 Just not really good enough. He can play so well if he could be arsed but he just can't....he comes inside far too much as well. Needs Curbs to give him a MASSIVE kick up the backside.
Reo-Coker-8 MOTM Easily our best player until Tevez came on. Worked his socks off and proved he doesn't just do it for big matches. After today I truly hope he stays.
Mullins-4 Yuck. In the Championship I slated him, all last season and up to today this season I've defended and applauded him, but today he was atrocious. Wouldn't show him the door but it's worth giving Masch a try.
Benayoun-7 Pretty good from Yossi though for long periods of the match he just wasn't involved much. Perhaps we should try a formation with him and Tevez behind a main striker.....
Harewood-5 Didn't do much wrong up front and then, god knows why, he went out on the right wing. I don't know if he was told to go there or what but once there he did absolutely nothing.
Zamora-6 Worked hard and some nice touches. Whenever he does things quickly he usually does them well, but when he has to control it and think about what to do, he usually ****'s up.
SUBS
Teddy-7 Added much needed nouse. Should be given another start vs Citeh...
Tevez-8 MUST start vs Citeh. Was excellent, but should have scored the chance he made so brilliantly for himself.
Dailly-6 Actually did pretty well. As mentioned earlier some not bad deliveries into the box.
Hugely dissapointing day but I urge you all not to panic. It was just one bad half, second half we were fine. I still think we'll be ok...but it's now a huge match vs Citeh, and one we must win.
COME ON YOU IRONSSS!!!!
Well, it weren't great.
The first half was awful in every way...the crowd were pathetic and after the first 10 minutes so were the players. We started brightly and I was feeling good about the match but their goal changed everything, and we fell apart. I was desperate for half-time before we conceded another but sadly it didn't come quickly enough....we can't seem to take OR defend set pieces. Has become a real problem...
Second half both crowd and team were much better and we almost snatched what would have actually been a deserved point.
Not a great day but I'd rather lose this one than the next one...best to look at it like that I think...
Heads up everyone.
Ratings:
Green-6 His poorest performance for us thus far. Just didn't command like he usually does...could do nothing about either goal though.
Konchesky-4 Ouch that was bad. Just how bad his crossing was became clearest when DAILLY of all people came on, had a few goes at crossing and ALL were better than the many Konch produced in the entire game. Rubbish.
Gabbidon-3 Danny Danny Danny...were you just not ready to come back? He was abysmal today. Maybe down to fitness I don't know but he was truly awful.
Ferdinand-6 Didn't do much wrong and I actually think he was starting to like playing with Collins before he got injured...
Spector-6 Also a reasonable performance. Lots of effort at least...
Etherington-5 Just not really good enough. He can play so well if he could be arsed but he just can't....he comes inside far too much as well. Needs Curbs to give him a MASSIVE kick up the backside.
Reo-Coker-8 MOTM Easily our best player until Tevez came on. Worked his socks off and proved he doesn't just do it for big matches. After today I truly hope he stays.
Mullins-4 Yuck. In the Championship I slated him, all last season and up to today this season I've defended and applauded him, but today he was atrocious. Wouldn't show him the door but it's worth giving Masch a try.
Benayoun-7 Pretty good from Yossi though for long periods of the match he just wasn't involved much. Perhaps we should try a formation with him and Tevez behind a main striker.....
Harewood-5 Didn't do much wrong up front and then, god knows why, he went out on the right wing. I don't know if he was told to go there or what but once there he did absolutely nothing.
Zamora-6 Worked hard and some nice touches. Whenever he does things quickly he usually does them well, but when he has to control it and think about what to do, he usually ****'s up.
SUBS
Teddy-7 Added much needed nouse. Should be given another start vs Citeh...
Tevez-8 MUST start vs Citeh. Was excellent, but should have scored the chance he made so brilliantly for himself.
Dailly-6 Actually did pretty well. As mentioned earlier some not bad deliveries into the box.
Hugely dissapointing day but I urge you all not to panic. It was just one bad half, second half we were fine. I still think we'll be ok...but it's now a huge match vs Citeh, and one we must win.
COME ON YOU IRONSSS!!!!
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In the game I saw, I saw ineptitude all over the park.Countryboy wrote: Well, I watched the one where Zamora put in a ton of running, held the ball up okay, often linked play well but was painfully lacking in confidence close to goal (like ever other WHU player, bar Sheringham).
In the game I saw, West ham started really well, must have had 70 per cent of the ball in the first 10-15 mins. They conceded an unbelievably sloppy goal from a set-piece (either Harewood or Zamora went AWOL) and then just fell apart mentally.
Possession is nothing without cutting edge.
Cutting edge is nothing with ineptitude.
Zamora cannot jump and win headers, his lack of awareness sees him continually caught in possession because he's too slow.
he ain't the only one and thats the worry.
He came from white hart lane, he's better than Jermaine..............
what rubbish. :evil:
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hmmmmmmmmAdam 'The Smudge' wrote: In the game I saw, I saw ineptitude all over the park.
Possession is nothing without cutting edge.
Cutting edge is nothing with ineptitude.
Zamora cannot jump and win headers, his lack of awareness sees him continually caught in possession because he's too slow.
he ain't the only one and thats the worry.
He came from white hart lane, he's better than Jermaine..............
what rubbish. :evil:
sheri has lightening pace. some of the passes zamora made today, especially in the 2nd half, were crying out for someone to get on the end of.
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The point is, at the moment either Zamora or Harewood has to start alongside Tevez because Ashton is injured and Teddy is not up to starting anymore. In that case we have a choice. The one that runs around all day and gives his all for his team even though he isn't the worlds best footballer; or alternatively the one that barely runs, falls over, throws his arms in the air, loses the ball in dangerous/promising situations, can't hold up the ball, gets outmuscled by Glen Johnston even though he is much bigger and doen't seem to give a ****. I know which one i'd choose.