Do West Ham attract Asian fans?

[Bobby Orangeboom]

Maybe it's just my issue, replace Asian with blacks and face with crime...I just don't subscribe to the generalisation. That's not to say I'm not wrong, I could just an over sensitive leftie.

Or you could be just someone who has an opinion on something that you really don't have nay great idea about in it's real form..

That's not a pop, i'm just saying.

How much real life experience do you have where Asia's concerned ?

How long have you spend there in order to gain " your " opinion that this face thing is tripe ?

Honestly, not having a pop, it's just an observation i have where people give opinions, but if the truth be known, they actually know very little about what they have an opinion on but still give it anyway and believe it's valid.

& i may be wrong too, you may have much life experience of Asia, but i highly doubt it otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate that the face thing is a sweeping generalisation where Asia's concerned..

[Bobby Orangeboom]

I was really enjoying reading the 'ywamthai' site until I realised it was an evangelical organisation....
Was that intentional?
"

No it wasn't intentional, sorry.

There are a million websites i could have linked that gives you information on Asia or Thailand and " face ", that just happened to be up there in a search engine..

Let the Stickman sum it up, it might not be fully " UK PC " but it's bang on the money as usual.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader553.html

Some more below, not Stickman.

http://www.chinatownconnection.com/save ... ailand.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

[phukethammer]

http://youtu.be/AerKUSxGQ1M

[Bobby Orangeboom]

& this is nnot off topic by the way, this understanding whether you think so or not, goes some way to understanding maybe why certain Asians ( SE Asians especially as that's where my experiences is ) don't overall support a Club like Aston Villa or West Ham because be sure, one does not " keep face " every week watching these teams !!

[DaveyWalnuts]

Having worked in travel I have a bit of experience with Asia having been there a few times. Would like to think my views are based soley on personal experiences i have had and not knee jerk offence to something i read. You have made good points. But personally I have not witnessed the things you talk about so I will not endorse those comments. Yes you may be right, and me too stubborn to admit when I'm wrong or just too deluded with no argument, that's for you to decide (and i'm sure you have already). But i'm going to draw a line under this branch of the conversation because it detracts from the original post, I can't beat wiki links with my life experiences and in fairness i'm getting a bit bored of this part of the convo and you "not having a dig". Fair play you fought your corner well. So i'll hand it to . Onwards and upwards.

[DaveyWalnuts]

Having worked in travel I have a bit of experience with Asia having been there a few times. Would like to think my views are based soley on personal experiences i have had and not knee jerk offence to something i read. You have made good points. But personally I have not witnessed the things you talk about so I will not endorse those comments. Yes you may be right, and me too stubborn to admit when I'm wrong, that's for you to decide. But would like to draw a line under this branch of the conversation because it detracts from the original post and in fairness i'm getting a bit bored of this part of the convo and you "not having a dig". Fair play you fought your corner well. So i'll hand it to you

[badgermax]

from Bobby's Chinatown link (couldn't resist it)

"Additionally, the greeting sawadee plus the suffix khrap if spoken by a male....."

tee hee. those funny asians. (wife's indian btw)

[NXA]

Speak to lots of Asian football fans on the phone when ever i call up about my sky account etc not working, however when i give the my SE14 postcaode they start talking about Millwalls results

[westhamnick]

For me no matter how much 'experience' you have of asia i dont feel it is fair to generalise a culture on such things as 'face'.

I have more british experience as i have lived here all my life does that mean i can generalise about brits in anyway? no.

i think it comes down to the individual and to throw a comment in such as asians are about face is in no way based on truth. Your posts bobby mainly concentrate on the thai culture, it doesnt reflect all of asia which is what i thought the orginal questions was.

'do west ham attract asian fans?'

[Bobby Orangeboom]

Having worked in travel I have a bit of experience with Asia having been there a few times. Would like to think my views are based soley on personal experiences i have had and not knee jerk offence to something i read. You have made good points. But personally I have not witnessed the things you talk about so I will not endorse those comments. Yes you may be right, and me too stubborn to admit when I'm wrong or just too deluded with no argument, that's for you to decide (and i'm sure you have already). But i'm going to draw a line under this branch of the conversation because it detracts from the original post, I can't beat wiki links with my life experiences and in fairness i'm getting a bit bored of this part of the convo and you "not having a dig". Fair play you fought your corner well. So i'll hand it to. Onwards and upwards.

Of course you can't endorse them because you have little to no experience of Asia like i said and working in travel industry doesn't give you a valid opinion on every Country and Culture in the world, and that's my whole point..

It was the " over sensitive leftie " part that makes you think that your opinion is valid on this, not your experiences or lack of them..

Don't get bored either, learning something new should never be boring..

[Bobby Orangeboom]

For me no matter how much 'experience' you have of asia i dont feel it is fair to generalise a culture on such things as 'face'.

I have more british experience as i have lived here all my life does that mean i can generalise about brits in anyway? no.

i think it comes down to the individual and to throw a comment in such as asians are about face is in no way based on truth. Your posts bobby mainly concentrate on the thai culture, it doesnt reflect all of asia which is what i thought the orginal questions was.

'do west ham attract asian fans?'

No offence Nick but your first line is complete nonsense, there is no single " a culture ", there are lots of different cultures but in Asia, many of them ( nowhere near just Thai like you seem to suggest ) have a real big " face thing " going on, real big.

Have a read of this Nick, this particular Country has the biggest population on the planet and isn't Thailand.

http://www.internationalman.com/global- ... ld-we-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a little something on Korea..

http://knowledgenetwork.thunderbird.edu ... -in-korea/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Etc etc etc, see what i'm saying ??

No offence Chaps, you admittedly don't have much experience of Asia at all, clearly, so read about this and you will learn soemthing very important about a very important part of the world..

[westhamnick]

no i dont have much experience on asia granted but what i do know is two people from the same area, street, country, continent can have completely different views and no matter what links you provide me with, i will still believe the comment 'asians are all about face' is simply not true. Bearing in mind we are also taking about brits here as probably 90% of the people we are talking about were born here, educated here and are what i would consider brits with asian backgrounds.

i appreciate the effort to educate and will enjoy reading about these different cultures however i still stand views and the fact you can not generalise on billions of people.

[Bobby Orangeboom]

Sorry for going off topic, i realise that this is aimed at South Asian ( Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi ) people, the people that have a large population in both East London and Birmingham, but i just wanted to clarify a couple of things..

[Rockhampton Hammer]

We do serve Balti pies!

[Bobby Orangeboom]

no i dont have much experience on asia granted but what i do know is two people from the same area, street, country, continent can have completely different views and no matter what links you provide me with, i will still believe the comment 'asians are all about face' is simply not true. Bearing in mind we are also taking about brits here as probably 90% of the people we are talking about were born here, educated here and are what i would consider brits with asian backgrounds.

i appreciate the effort to educate and will enjoy reading about these different cultures however i still stand views and the fact you can not generalise on billions of people.

What you would consider to be Brits and what they would consider themselves to be are two very different things however Nick, you just go and watch a Test Match at Edgbaston between England and any of the South Asian Nations for proof of that.

Not believing " Asians " are all about face in many, many of their cultures ( like i've pointed out from the start ), even when presented with stuff that shows it, is showing lots of naivety on your behalf though Nick though i'm afraid.

I've shown you that China is all about face, Korea is all about face and Thailand is all about face and they have been the only 3 Asian countries i looked at with regards to it, yet you still don't want to accept it, which is up to you of course but...........

Whether you think they're right or not, there are normally reasons why people that have experienced things say what they say about them and normally, they're very different to the perception of the subject that people that haven't experienced them may have, such as in this case.

[btajim - mcfc]

We do serve Balti pies!

The Balti was invented in Birmingham.

[phukethammer]

Having put in a 12 stretch in s.e asia im with Bobby O on this one....it is without doubt quite sad how much not losing face matters to almost all of the s.e asian people ive had the *cough* good fortune to do business with in this part of the world.

However! my wife still knocks up a mean green curry!! and she loves the mighty Hammers!!!

[phukethammer]

The Balti was invented in Birmingham.[/quote]


Off topic but Congratulations on the league title btajim!....

[thfwhu]

I am from China and I have only been in England for a few years.

I go home and away and I am sure some of you will recognize me.

[bubbles1966]

Can I just say....

"Who gives a **** what colour your face is, so long as the blood that coarses through your veins is claret and blue"