|All you need to know about West Ham United FC's potential move to Stratford.
I'd like to think that they sent me an e mail but because I couldn't change it to my new address at KUMB H.Q. it never got through....
Interesting to hear Trap's spin on this one......
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... adium.html
This is an absolute masterpiece....
PP I resemble that...(those two haven't a scooby where Ecuador is, let alone Cuenca....)
And I'll have some of what Karren's on please..sound like a cross between Quaalude's, Colombian Marching Powder and some Mescaline.....pass the bong Karren
Call me pedantic but I don't think that says they have consulted the fans at all it's very cleverly worded, spot the difference!
I wish people would stop using that Karen Brady article. It's pretending that it's written in August 2014, and the three years of consulting fans would start now up to then.
As they've always said, they needed to get in the Olympic Stadium before being able to consult us on what changes they make to it.
To be fair she is talking from August 2014 perspective, therefore plenty of time for three years of consulting with the fans.
Maybe he asked us all with a previous advert in "The Lady".
I can't be both pedantic and wrong!
Why am I clutching at straws! It fairly obvious there has been no consultation, all I am saying is that IMHO you have misinterpreted that sentence, which could have even been worded that way to deceive.
I have emialed the club and asked them what consultation amongst fans has taken place so far.
Personally I wouldn't even count MYWHUFC as it wasn't really consultation.
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Nah, i'm with Hammer110 on this one... just bad (lack of) editing on the official site. Consultation with us fans about moving was never an issue, they've been upfront about that from the start - they want it, it's the only way forward in their opinion and no one was getting consulted about moving!
Consultation about the stadium begins when (if) we get the nod about the stadium.
Oh, and that's a NO, i wasn't consulted about moving.
This is how I reckon all big business consults -
Setting - Boardroom/Senior Management Office (does not really matter)
Cast - The Board/Senior Management (if you are lucky a representative from a 'fan/supporter/workers/union group
Faceless suit on board/higher management - "We are all supporters of this organisation/club, and seek to 'grow' this organisation/club for the future, that much is clear fellow board members, (neglecting to even acknowledge the lucky representative from a 'fan/supporter/workers/union group) do we have agreement on this?"
Remaining suits on board/higher management (possibly included but most likely feeling a bit out of depth fan/supporter/workers/union group representative) -"Yes"
Faceless suit on board/higher management - "As we are all supporters of this organisation/club, and seek to 'grow' this organisation/club, can we now follow the democratic process and vote on the move to the new stadium/office etc, as one cannot deny that we have outgrown the current venue, which it must be said as well is looking a bit 'sad' for itself, and in the current cash crisis we are in, would cost too much to bring up to the standards of those other organisation/clubs around us? This is, blue sky thinking at its best, an unique opportunity we find ourselves in here, ladies and gentlemen do not forget that. Show of hands 'for please', show of hands 'against'"
Possibly included but increasingly feeling a bit out of depth fan/supporter/workers/union group representative, due to bluster and swagger of the obese man with the power suit and business jargon and the glares of contempt from the other suits oozing cash and greed...
Faceless suit on board/higher management - "the supporters of this organisation/club have spoken, the move is on, Nigel can you knock up a quick press release including that bloke in the corner?"
Nigel - "Who?"
Faceless suit on board/higher management - "The quiet one, the fanatic or whatever they are called these days, make sure you include him in the release and that the board and he were united. Champagne Karen please..."
That I truly believe is how most large organisations consult at grass roots level...
I hardly think that is necessary do you?
And back to the point, nobody has consulted me, despite being a season ticket holder for years, despite the fact that I have been to around a thousand games, still I do get a nice little email from Avram now and then does that count?
BTW I also know for a fact that bond holders have not been consulted either.
I think its totally necessary...
Here's a bloke whose website had a load of dodgy "facts" and an iffy petition trying to use this site to make his campaign bigger.
When anyone tried to argue any other point...he just poo poo what they said.
He is moaning about the view at the OS (which he hasn't visited)...yet sits in the worst view at our current stadium.
He tried to make out that he spoke for the vast majority of WHU fans...when he didn't.
When that was proved to him...he never had the decency to admit his shortfalls.
Anyroads...all thats done now.
To bigger and better things...hopefully
Well yes exactly, bigger and and maybe better things.
To be honest I never actually went to his website in typical cant be arsed fashion.
Seems pretty passionate about things and I think this maybe clouds his judgement at times.
We can all be a bit like that at times.
Onwards and sideway as they say.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick because, as Hammer 110 pointed out, Sullivan doesn't actually say he's consulted with fans (though he's happy if people take that impression): "Initially I didn't know if it could work but our due diligence, fans and the experts we have consulted at every step soon convinced me."
There really should be a comma after 'fans' to convey the true message unambiguously: "Initially I didn't know if it could work but our due diligence, fans, and the experts we have consulted at every step soon convinced me." Sully will claim that fans' input, e.g. the latest KUMB poll, shows their support for the OS bid.
Spin of the highest order, and typical Sullivan (similar story with Brady's 2014 article). Spuds management, much as I dislike them, have at least been honest with their fans: they've told them that there won't be any official consultation until after they are named the preferred bidder, claiming that to do so beforehand would be pointless (which is their spin to avoid negative feedback).
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