David Gold said earlier this evening on twitter......Mr_Andersonn wrote:I believe that we could share with rugby, but then lets get the rugby club involved in financing decent retractable seating!
"Fans would be against any form of ground share DG"
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David Gold said earlier this evening on twitter......Mr_Andersonn wrote:I believe that we could share with rugby, but then lets get the rugby club involved in financing decent retractable seating!
Ideally we would get the stadium and go it alone, but we all know this now wont happen.the pink palermo wrote: London Wasps are currently up for sale for £1 - with the buyer taking on their debts .
Saracens are losing money hand over fist .
What is Old Trafford worth?paulhs1 wrote:I very much doubt that the banks will be happy to lend to a club with no asset. Look at Coverntry City for a prime example. They have moved to a stadium as tenants are in debt and now cannot raise funds to get them out the mess their in. They are heading for league one!
- We don't know whats on offer.paulhs1 wrote: We know whats on offer, a rented stadium that will be shared with possibly 3 or more sporting clubs, no share of events or minimal naming rights meaning no cheap tickets. No retractable seating unless we pay for it. And we are moving from a ground that we have sole use of that is our home to a stadium that will be shared and we play second fiddle to Athletics in!
The deal has changed, since first winning the bid in February. The OPLC have made it clear that they now want the stadium as multi use and not for the use of one main tenant during the football season.the bubble hammer wrote:Paulhs1, you really have got to stop putting words into people mouths. There is one thing speculating what might happen, but you are clearly stating it as fact. If and when you are party to what gold/sullivan and brady are discussing about the new tender documents , then please fill us in with all the relevant correct information.
I'm not really sure that we can be compared with Man Utd and Man City were bought by a sheikh with more money then sense. I think Coventry is a great example of what could happen to this club if we don't have an asset to lend against. Just google Coventry's current situation, it's all there in black and white!hammersk wrote: What is Old Trafford worth?
Now, how much is Man Utd's net debt?
Look at what is happening and who the public owners will be (Newham).
We won't be Man U, but we won't be Coventry either.
The club you should have used as your analogy is Man City - we are getting a once in a lifetime opportunity.
hammersk wrote: - We don't know whats on offer. We know more now then what we did this time last week
- It was always going to be a rented stadium. Yes which could be a big problem!
- We always planned to groundshare - and we did at UP with Charlton (however I don't believe that a groundshare is inevitable anymore) A ground share with events being out of football season was always discussed but I beleive sharing with another team during the football season was never mentioned...even Gold has said on Twitter that the Fans will not want this!
- We may well forego minimal naming rights We will get a share of naming rights but how much will we get when you consider that it may need to be shared across three sites and other sporting clubs.
- But there will absolutely be cheap tickets - at least until the point that demand precludes this. Can you explain how this will now be funded..we will have less revenue streams then we have now?
- We will not be paying for retractable seating (at least not in full) This is not what was stated by the OPLC yesterday
What you are hearing from Altman is the same thing you heard from the French this week, in defence of their economy.
I have read the statement mate.....they have said that there is going to be up to 21 days for athletics, there could be 1,10 or 21 but they have allocated up to 21 days.WHURS wrote:If you read the statment corectly it states, they have reserved 21 days to include the athletics, 20-20, concerts and events, not 21 days exclusively for athletics then add cricket + events.
There is not a rugby club in the land that could pay their way in a 60K stadium let alone 2. Plus Rugby Unions season runs parallel with the football season so you wouldn't be able to fit the fixtures in even if you wanted to.
the NFL are the only other sport that could potentially fill the stadium if they bring a franchise over here, if they dont they will continue to use Wembley for their 1 off games as they sell out its 90K.
In addition, there could be another sport playing during the football season, athletics will have a 99 year lease, possibly no share of events revenue, and we could have to rearrange a few fixtures each season.WHURS wrote:Even under the original deal we were never going to be the sole occupier of the stadium, Athletics has been a given from day 1, then you add in all the talk of live nation, Essex cricket, and others. The only difference with the way it stands now is we won't have a stake in the management company.
The plan is to convert to a 60k stadium and both Wasps and Saracens are interested. Also no one is doubting that both those clubs will not be able to fill the stadium but for them it’s not about that, they just need a stadium for their own reasons, in any case they will probably both just use the lower tier and shut off the upper tier which will give them a 25k stadium. their rent will be minimal if shared between both clubs. Let’s say they both pay £1m per year, the OPLC then get the same rent but from 2 clubs. You then get the likes of Aviva, Guinness & Magners sniffing around for naming rights. It’s a no brainer for both rugby clubs based on their financial situations!WHURS wrote:There are very few that could possibly be deemed big enough for the actual stadium and even less that could actually clash with any of our fixtures. The only event that could possibly impact the fixture list would be a 20-20 cricket final. I don’t believe there will be a Rugby team even half interested in the stadium while the plan is for it to be 60K.
If you go to an auction and make the first bid then you start low, if thats the only bid then you are quids in.Therefore the auctioneer will spout all sorts of tripe about the object in question before the bidding starts. Conclusion, only we want it and the auctioneer has egg on his face.paulhs1 wrote:
I think that the likely options are;
1) WHUFC and one other rugby club
2) 2 rugby clubs
3)WHUFC
But for us to be the sole user the OPLC will demand we pay more money in rent. If not then it is feasible that between 2 rugby clubs, 20/20, events, NFL, naming rights and additionals that they can cover the £5m rent.
There is plenty of room for corporate boxes....they can even sit on top of the retractable seatingmywhufc wrote: sounds good but what about the corporate boxes, where would they be,
The rake will not be too shallow...you have to remember that the people in the Upper tier seat will be viewing the pitch and not the running track.Francoisvander or else wrote:
The rake will be far to shallow with a differential height of roughly 4-5 centimetres per row not nearly enough for a first class viewing experience
And they will need to be left there for the athletics meetings....the retractable seating will go over the top of the current lower tierbrownout wrote:
That's what I said - continuing upper tier down to pitch side will cover the current lower tier seats - the only tier designed to be permanent.
brownout wrote:Wasps have to move from Wycombe as rugby premier league requires minimum 15,000 capacity. They get fined every season and will soon be forced to move.