Kiev Olympic Stadium

[Iron-worx]

If you go back a little, you responded to a post by someone claiming it was a photo taken by with a fish eye lens. Ok you did not confirm the error, but you did not correct the poster. You just gave a tacit confirmation when you responded along the lines of "amazing how those sort of photos still get posted". You even added one of those cute headbanger emoticons we all love for extra emphasis.

So in my opinion, you allowed an erroneous post to go unchallenged because the opinion, whether based on an error, backed you own view.

There is thevonly picture on this thread, so what was you referring to?

Lets get this to its absolute basis so as nobody is confused....

Ever since the Olympic Stadium was first mooted way back we've had posters posting fish eye views of athletics stadiums saying look how bad the view is....

I've lost count of how many times they've needed to be corrected, there's even been posts explaining focal lengths etc that are agreed to be close to viewing through eyes....

Not only has what's wrong been pointed out ad nauseum but how to get it right has been posted too....

Umpteen times there have been corrections, time and time and time and time and time, yet it still happens....

Now we've had what is truly a special kind of genius, we've actually had an artists impression in a fish eye style of an athletics stadium posted.....

And the poster actually had the cheek to say and I quote '...Lets hope it not like this then

There's not really anything difficult to understand about this, or at least there shouldn't be, a fish eye view is a fish eye view whether photographed, drawn, painted, sketched, doodled or daguerrotyped - It is an incorrect assumption to assume that a fish eye view can only be a photograph and that's the incorrect assumption that you've made.

[Sweeney Bod]

Are you a politician?

I have rarely met non-politicians to talk there way out of a mistake so well, and at the same time be so patronising.

The simple fact is that you did not point out it was merely a render. I worked enough years in an architectural company, (BDP, who designed the main courts at Wimbledon), to know a render is a mere representation.

Fish eye, Captain Birds Eye, one eye purple trouser snake....it is irrelevant, a render can not be used to validate anyone's argument

[IronMaiden123]

I have been in the Olympic Stadium. Watched an event there. Seen the distances between seats and pitch. Very many others have done the same. The view (for a football stadium) will be distant and crap. You don't need photos, pictures of Kiev or anything else to tell you that.

[AlfieG]

Lets get this to its absolute basis so as nobody is confused....

Ever since the Olympic Stadium was first mooted way back we've had posters posting fish eye views of athletics stadiums saying look how bad the view is....

I've lost count of how many times they've needed to be corrected, there's even been posts explaining focal lengths etc that are agreed to be close to viewing through eyes....

Bla Bla Bla......

And the poster actually had the cheek to say and I quote '...Lets hope it not like this then

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My oh my, you really are an arrogant cock of a poster Iron-worx.

Ooh, how dare I say lets hope its not like this then.... Who the Feck are you to say its a cheek for me to say, lets hope its not like this......?

If you watched it on the TV the other night then you can make a pretty good assessment that its not a good venue for watching PL football every other week.. That's my opinion and I would guess a lot of other peoples who post on here too.

Get off your high horse and respect other peoples opinions..... they are allowed to have them you know.

BTW your cock and bull story about 'I forgot my password' sounds like utter nonsense too.

[Iron-worx]

Are you a politician?

I have rarely met non-politicians to talk there way out of a mistake so well, and at the same time be so patronising.

The simple fact is that you did not point out it was merely a render. I worked enough years in an architectural company, (BDP, who designed the main courts at Wimbledon), to know a render is a mere representation.

Fish eye, Captain Birds Eye, one eye purple trouser snake....it is irrelevant, a render can not be used to validate anyone's argument

A politician - No, I'm just good at pointing out the errors in other peoples assumptions, and your error was in assuming that fish eye views can only be photographs....

That's straightforwardly incorrect a fish eye view can be in any of a wide variety of mediums....

Heck, you even told me that I hadn't corrected the second poster as if he was wrong too, and even after I told you that you'd made an erroneous assumption you still didn't see it but needed me to point it out in ABC,123 fashion which you then deem patronising...

And yet it would seem that even after you've been shown where you went wrong you still insist that it's everybody else who's in error really, why on Earth should anybody point out that it's a render ? It's irrelevant that it's a render, the only relevancy is that it's fish eye....

Bottom line is that a fish eye view is a fish eye view is a fish eye view whether it's a photograph, render, or otherwise.

[Iron-worx]

I have been in the Olympic Stadium. Watched an event there. Seen the distances between seats and pitch. Very many others have done the same. The view (for a football stadium) will be distant and crap. You don't need photos, pictures of Kiev or anything else to tell you that.

Yes, and there have also been reports posted in this forum from those who've been there who say that there's nothing wrong with the view.

[Iron-worx]

My oh my, you really are an arrogant cock of a poster Iron-worx.

Ooh, how dare I say lets hope its not like this then.... Who the Feck are you to say its a cheek for me to say, lets hope its not like this......?

If you watched it on the TV the other night then you can make a pretty good assessment that its not a good venue for watching PL football every other week.. That's my opinion and I would guess a lot of other peoples who post on here too.

Get off your high horse and respect other peoples opinions..... they are allowed to have them you know.

BTW your cock and bull story about 'I forgot my password' sounds like utter nonsense too.

To what extent have you read through this forum ?

Have you not seen the don't post fish eye views because they're hopelessly distorted posts ?

They've been being made for months and months and months, there's even been strings of posts on how to do it right....

Regarding the forgotten password you've made an incorrect assumption too, check in the Hall of Fame forum, the 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was thread. You'll see a poster called Ironworx without the hyphen that's now there and you'll see that it says that he joined Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:52 am - And even that wasn't when I first joined.....

What happens is that when you join you are assigned a password, I paste it once into my password memory then it auto enters every time that I sign in. Accordingly I don't choose the password in the first instance and after entering it once I never enter it again, brilliant until you change computers because then you never did know the password to remember it so you need to start a new account...

Thus it can be seen that I last changed computers ten months ago, and the time before that was September 2008, I really don't know exactly how long I've been a member but it must be for at least seven or eight years I would have thought....

The bottom line in this thread surely has to be never assume.

[WestHamIFC]

Not a fair comparison as the Kiev stadium runs parallel to the track on the straights, whereas Stratford arcs away from the track at the sides, so we'll be further away.

Spot on. However behind the goals can be compared.. and it looks bluddy awful.

[Doc H Ball]

Lets get this to its absolute basis so as nobody is confused....

Ever since the Olympic Stadium was first mooted way back we've had posters posting fish eye views of athletics stadiums saying look how bad the view is....

I've lost count of how many times they've needed to be corrected, there's even been posts explaining focal lengths etc that are agreed to be close to viewing through...

One question - all of the pictures posted taken by dozens of cameras including SLRs and zooms make the seats look a long way from where the pitch will be. Where are the photos making it look close? Do they confiscate cameras with a focal length of more than 30mm as one enters the Olympic Park?

[Hammer110]

One question - all of the pictures posted taken by dozens of cameras including SLRs and zooms make the seats look a long way from where the pitch will be. Where are the photos making it look close? Do they confiscate cameras with a focal length of more than 30mm as one enters the Olympic Park?

No but most people when talking general views of something like the inside of a stadium will use the widest possible setting to get as much in as possible and anything less than 50mm is going to exaggerate the distances. And anyway given that it seems more likely than not there will be some changes to the seating to bring fans nearer the pitch the discussion is all a bit pointless.

[the pink palermo]

And anyway given that it seems more likely than not there will be some changes to the seating to bring fans nearer the pitch the discussion is all a bit pointless.

You are aware that not every seat , for every fan can be significantly closer to the pitch aren't you ?

The concept of "retractable" seating , the very idea that by putting some fans closer improves the stadium for all is slightly flawed is it not ?

The fundamental truth is regardless of lenses, trick photography and anything else , the entire Boleyn would fit inside Stratford , that means at least some of the seats will , by definition , be further away than they are currently - and by some distance .

Can anyone remind me of why we are even contemplating this move ?

What's in it for the fans ?

[Denbighammer]

The fundamental truth is regardless of lenses, trick photography and anything else , the entire Boleyn would fit inside Stratford , that means at least some of the seats will , by definition , be further away than they are currently - and by some distance .

Which is where the affordable seats will be, bloody miles away. Seems to me the O/S is fine, as long as you've got the money to pay up for a good seat.

As you said PP, whats in it for the fans?

[eastsider]

Well obviously the truth is somewhere between the two extremes of opinions of posters for or against.

My shed looks a long way away when a photo is taken of my garden and the garden is only 60 feet long!!.
Also I have seen fish eye type photos taken in tiny non league grounds and you can barely see the goal at the other end.....

Still think it is time for a move but do see and not entirely disagree with the anti's points of view.

[Hammer110]

You are aware that not every seat , for every fan can be significantly closer to the pitch aren't you ?

You mean they are not go to make every seat retractable, you shock me, boo down with the O/S!

[badgermax]

Can anyone remind me of why we are even contemplating this move ?

What's in it for the fans ?

Seats that you dont have to stand up and breathe in for in order to let someone through.
Seat spacings that allow grown ups as well as children to sit properly without having to jostle for territory.
A way of getting to my seat without a fitness session first (alpari upper) .
Better toilet facilties
Better catering facilities
Better transport facilities.
A sound system you can hear clearly from all seats in the ground.
A stadium with no restricted view areas

just sayin'

[Sweeney Bod]

Seats that you dont have to stand up and breathe in for in order to let someone through.
Seat spacings that allow grown ups as well as children to sit properly without having to jostle for territory.
A way of getting to my seat without a fitness session first (alpari upper) .
Better toilet facilties
Better catering facilities
Better transport facilities.
A sound system you can hear clearly from all seats in the ground.
A stadium with no restricted view areas

just sayin'

Please tell me you are joking.

Ok I give you the transport one

Toilets - There is no drainage. They are basically large portaloos. There is only one concourse serving both tiers which is fine for athletics where there are more natural breaks, but for football? Good luck at half time

Mountain climbing - At certain points in the stadiums upper tier where there are 50 rows. As the entrances are at the front, good luck with a close on 100 step climb.

Catering - There are no kitchens in the OS. All hot food is being cooked off site and shipped in. All catering outlets are outside the stadium. Again there is no seperate concourse for the upper tier

The seating dimensions are about the same as the Boleyn, (East Stand excluded), and a lot less than Wembley.

As for the sound system, I would prefer one you could not hear.

[badgermax]

Please tell me you are joking.

Ok I give you the transport one

Toilets - There is no drainage. They are basically large portaloos. There is only one concourse serving both tiers which is fine for athletics where there are more natural breaks, but for football? Good luck at half time

Mountain climbing - At certain points in the stadiums upper tier where there are 50 rows. As the entrances are at the front, good luck with a close on 100 step climb.

Catering - There are no kitchens in the OS. All hot food is being cooked off site and shipped in. All catering outlets are outside the stadium. Again there is no seperate concourse for the upper tier

The seating dimensions are about the same as the Boleyn, (East Stand excluded), and a lot less than Wembley.

As for the sound system, I would prefer one you could not hear.

so remind me why we're going there?

[Sweeney Bod]

so remind me why we're going there?

No idea mate *shrugshouldersemoticon*

[paulhs1]

so remind me why we're going there?

Because the owners bought the club on the premise of moving us into a heavily subsidised (and now paid for) stadium.
The fact that it is unfit for football is irrelevant, it's all about the numbers and getting bums on seats, the owners of those bums wether they be loyal fans or day trippers are not important.

[Romford]

Well i watched the England V Sweden game there...much better than the Boleyn.

As i have said many times before....along the sides there is little difference. I must have watched 50+ games in stadiums with running tracks.