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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Adz on Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:51 pm

rare as rockinghorse shat wrote:The bloke has always been a holding midfielder. Should be Parker's understudy.


I dont agree with that. The last few games of our great escape season he played in the middle with Coker (who was more the holding player), whilst Noble got forward more, made some late runs into the box and scored a few goals.
I thought he did this well, but doesnt seem to have pushed on and its a shame...

BUT IF ZOLA TRIES TO PLAY HIM RIGHT OR LEFT MID ONE MORE TIME.... Headbanger
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Tel The Hammer on Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:53 pm

rare as rockinghorse shat wrote:The bloke has always been a holding midfielder. Should be Parker's understudy.


How can he be a DM if he can't tackle very well at all?...

You've lost me there old chap. :?
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby rare as rockinghorse shat on Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:27 pm

Tel The Hammer wrote:How can he be a DM if he can't tackle very well at all?...

You've lost me there old chap. :?


Being a holding player isn't always about solitary tackling mate.

It's about reading the game, being in the right place at the right time, being a nuisance and such.

Being a holding player doesn't always have to be like a Keane or a Parker.

Did you ever see Dieter Eilts play mate? Geezer only put in challenges when he needed to.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Tel The Hammer on Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:41 pm

rare as rockinghorse shat wrote:Did you ever see Dieter Eilts play mate? Geezer only put in challenges when he needed to.


Seem to remember that name from Euro 96. Can't remember that much about him if I'm honest though. I recall Sammer, Bierhoff, Matthaus and Moller etc well, but this Eilts doesn't ring a bell.

Noble being an understudy to someone would be perfect as on current form/performances he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting XI. But I just can't see him ever being a DM.

Noble's sadly always going to be a poor man's Behrami imo.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby rare as rockinghorse shat on Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:45 pm

Tel The Hammer wrote:but this Eilts doesn't ring a bell.


It never usually does - no famous crunching tackles, no injuries, no goals, no last ditch defending - that's my point, me ol' mucker :wink:

Tel The Hammer wrote:Noble's sadly always going to be a poor man's Behrami imo.


I'll go along with that mate. But I think he can be developed into a decent holding player, rather than a poor man's version of somewhere else.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby davids cross on Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:10 pm

Better or worse off without Noble yesterday ?

Obviously going to come back into the team now with the Behrami injury, unless Savio plays at the tip of a diamond, doubt that will happen yet for a while though.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Fionn on Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:55 am

Thought he had a good game last night. Will be a big player for us now with Collison and Behrami out for the foreseeable.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Bobby Orangeboom on Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:56 am

Fionn Kiely wrote:Thought he had a good game last night. Will be a big player for us now with Collison and Behrami out for the foreseeable.


Was fantastic last night, showed quality & ran his b*llocks off... :thup:
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby daniel on Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:00 am

Was very pleased to see him at the end of a few of our attacks last night. Granted, he didn't score but he went for it and with any luck would have scored one. He kept a cool head and was key for us, his yellow card summed him up imo- willing to cover up for someone else's **** up, even if it means getting his name in the book. Just needs to keep working on his fitness levels, that's it.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Topbre_22 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:37 am

Was fantastic last night, showed quality & ran his b*llocks off... :thup:[/quote]

I thought he did very well last night........we're looking very short at the mo so he will be key, despite his recent lack of dodgy form.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby rare as rockinghorse shat on Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:44 am

Fionn Kiely wrote:Thought he had a good game last night. Will be a big player for us now with Collison and Behrami out for the foreseeable.


Very correct sir.

May too make space for Savio to come into the creative position behind the front 2 or even keep Noble there and Savio in and wide.

We'll see...
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby monkey on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:24 pm

I've been as critical of Noble as any one recently, but with a week off for some r&r he was excellent last night. He played well where ever he was asked to play, tackled well in a physical game, used the ball expertly and nearly scored at the death.

If he plays to his potential more often then that's 3, fit, quality central midfielders we've got.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Jigga on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:43 pm

He's best performances are always away from home?

Why?, counter attack style of play? Surely not, Noble has no pace...

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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby JonG86 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:56 pm

I guess he played well yesterday because of his rest?

Can't wait till we have all our players fit and can have the same kind of rotation man Utd have (obviously without £30m+ players).
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby dt64 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:15 pm

Noble played well yesterday and i hope that is him starting to turn his performances around as i for one think he will be a very good player for us eventually, he just needs time like all young players do to find himself.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby White Goodman on Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:25 pm

His fitness seems suspect to me.

Given the fact he receives the same/similar to all the other players I wonder why this is?

Inferior genetics? Works harder than the other? Runs about like a headless chicken? Lifestyle outside of the club (not known for lashing it up as far as I know)

Even the commentator on the radio said that Noble was blowing out of every orifice as the game got into the later stages.

Don't get me wrong if that is all down to superior effort, then fair play but if it is something to do with him as an individual and how his body reacts to the training then that's different.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Tel The Hammer on Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:28 pm

He was pretty fair last night, yes.

But what gets me is that he only shows when sides play poorly against us. Noble's three best turn outs for us this season, imo, were against Chelsea at their gaff, Hull at home and last night. In each of them games the opponents were nowhere near on song. So I'm not getting too carried away.

He needs to start showing when sides are playing well against us too. Then my faith in him may be restored...
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Marc the Hammer on Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:43 pm

I like him he is key part of West Ham i think. :thup:
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:00 pm

Hardly had any time off for the past 2-3 years I think what with the undr 21's etc. Double Hernia operation too in that time frame.

Lot to ask from a 21 year old. Body still developing too. Lots of expectations from a local lad, involved in the emotional "Great Escape."
To be fair think he has shown a lot of maturity. People forget how young he is, been playing for the team for best part of 3 full years.

Think he should get a game off here and there to be honest. Not too bad being suspended last game, but the games are still coming thick and fast for youngsters.

Look at the injury problems that Owen has had, Rooney too. Perhaps too many games on these young players ??

Just a thought.
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Re: Flog Noble if the money's right...

Postby JonG86 on Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:58 am

'ouston 'ammer wrote:Hardly had any time off for the past 2-3 years I think what with the undr 21's etc. Double Hernia operation too in that time frame.

Lot to ask from a 21 year old. Body still developing too. Lots of expectations from a local lad, involved in the emotional "Great Escape."
To be fair think he has shown a lot of maturity. People forget how young he is, been playing for the team for best part of 3 full years.

Think he should get a game off here and there to be honest. Not too bad being suspended last game, but the games are still coming thick and fast for youngsters.

Look at the injury problems that Owen has had, Rooney too. Perhaps too many games on these young players ??

Just a thought.


Next season I am guessing we will see some squad rotation and players will get rested.
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