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Would you welcome a takeover by this Iranian in the news today?

Poll ended at Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:39 pm

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Gabers218 wrote: As they do not trade there is no market so the price will not rise or fall at all mate
Exactly -- fixed price of £3 a share but I think the minimum purchase through the brokers is 100 shares.
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Gabers218 wrote: Im all for investing in the team and going forwards BUT just because this bloke is the only one offering everyone is creaming over it and not really thinking about the long term problems that COULD be caused if we let this smug looking pr*ck takeover our football club.
Interesting point made here, which leads me to a question for all the pro-takeover people:

Just as a hypothetical, if there were two offers on the table, Kia and his £200m and Sullivan/Gold with £150m, which one would you be happier with?
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Gabers218 wrote:Im not judging the whole squad after just 2 games im just saying that they look totally different from that of last season. The football has improved the passion has returned and they are playing some really good stuff

I will go all out and admit im not a Brown Out man! Ive never hid that fact either! Whats saying the club will be a success under MSI???? could be even worse if they dont get what they want out of it and then who in the world will have the money to buy them out?
I'm not gonna disagree that they look different, but its just 2 games and to claim we can finish 11th or 12th is purley pie in the sky.

Nobody's saying MSI or anybody else for that matter, will be a success, but you can be certain that under Brown we won't be, so why not take that chance?

btw Have you added up how much Pardew has spent in comparison to the '£20m' Brown promised after Cardiff? Just another example of what a duplicitous git he really is, I struggle to understand why people still support this guy..
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Matt wrote: But it wouldn't be West Ham, would it? Just a load of mercenaries out to get a medal and a fat paycheck. Yes it would be nice to win things, but I'd like to do it in a way where it felt like an achievement, rather than an expectation after we pay our way up the league.

Incidentally if you think our friendly potential benefactor will fund/can afford 20 world-class players you are dreaming.
No it wouldn't........we might actually achieve something.
Aren'e most players just mercenaries now, just out to benefit themselves. We'd just have the better ones.
It would be great if we could have a squad of lads all from east London and Essex and then win the league but it's never going to happen, and it wont ever happen the way we are going either.
This may be our only chance to change forever, from an under achieving yo- yo club into one that can challenge for serious honours.

We must take it.
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Gabers218 wrote:If it all went tits up after a few seasons we wouldnt be where we are now we would more than likely be where Oldham are instead
Or quite possibly where we would be now had we not beaten Preston by the slimmest margin last May.
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jay66uk wrote:I hate to be a doom and gloom merchant, and I know many will disagree...but I think this takeoever would be just about the worst thing that could happen to the club at this moment. We have got off to a good start, we have a good team spirit going, things seem to have come together so much since Easter.

Yes, some more sheckels in the transfer coffers would be welcome, but at what price?

Such short sightness, Jay.
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i still maintain this is off the back of a couple of good results

as i said before, if we are in the bottom 3 by xmas, how many on here will be happy? no one, they will be crying out for investment...f*** me, if we lose 3 on the trot i reckon people will be calling for the managers head!

we have been moaning for years about lack of investment, now some bloke is offering us huge sums and people aint happy

i'd rip his ****ing arm off for it.
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i think the fact uncle terry has sent out a statement means that we could well expect a firm offer tabled in the next 48-72 hours. at the latest after the transfer window closes.
this never happened with the cottee consortium etc

and i just hope west ham lass wears a claret and blur burka!!
what shall we wear for the games though chelski had russina outfits.

alan lawrence of arabia pardew
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Welsh Hammer wrote: Interesting point made here, which leads me to a question for all the pro-takeover people:

Just as a hypothetical, if there were two offers on the table, Kia and his £200m and Sullivan/Gold with £150m, which one would you be happier with?

I'd welcome both, they seem just as good and bad as each other. Why not? One makes his money off the back off the porno industry and another funded by a Russian asylum seeker. Either way, both have bought their respective clubs success and are proven to run a club responsibly. And either would prove the end of Brown's tenure here, which is the most important fact of all this, the man who he admittedly has said in no uncertain terms that we ALMOST went to the wall anyway by doing it the 'proper, idealistic way' (Admin, narrowly avoiding a financial disaster)

So I say it again......


IF MSI TAKE US OVER, WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSE TO BEFORE IF IT DID GO PEAR-SHAPED?

Think about it fellow Hammers, we the fans have acted like and put our money where our mouths have been for decades, paying what should have constituted a lot more success than what we've already got in the cabinet. We deserve some success for all our loyalty, so stop feeling guilty about having the chance to follow in all other teams footsteps that have won something who have spent over the odds to get it. Gone are the days of family owned clubs bringing success to a club, we all have to move with the times, as real football died a long time ago, pre-Premiership.

For f*** sake, get real and enjoy the ride if it happens, we deserve it. Unless you would really like to carry on with the current status quo, still paying way over the odds for the privilege of watching Championship football again and again under the guidance of Brown and Co, instead of the possibility of watching us in europe in the Champions League again and again? Because that's what's proved to happen before, the facts are there to be seen. I believe we can be the great team the world has ever seen and hte only realistic way to do this is by doing what many other clubs across Europe/world have done and had half decent investment.

If you cannot beat them, ****ing well join them I say. :wink:
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Stevo wrote:
I'd welcome both, they seem just as good and bad as each other. Why not? On makes his money off the back off the porno industry and another funded by a Russian asylum seeker. Either way, both have bought their respective clubs success and are proven to run a club responsibly. And either would prove the nend of Brown's tenure here, which is the most important fact of all this, the man who he admittedly has said in no uncertain terms that we ALMOST went to the wall anyway by doing it the 'proper, idealistic way' (Admin, narrowly avoiding a financial disaster)

So I say it again......


IF MSI TAKE US OVER, WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSE TO BEFORE IF IT DID GO PEAR-SHAPED?

Think about Hammers, we the fans act like and put our money where our mouths have been for decades, paying what should have constituted a lot more success than what we've already got in the cabinet. We deserve some success, so stop feeling guilty about having the chance to follow in all other teams that have won something who have spent over the odds to get it. Gone are the days of family owned clubs bringing success to a club, we all have to move wiht the times, as real football died long ago, pre-Premiership.

For f*ck sake, get real and enjoy the ride if it happens, we deserve it.

Unless you would really like to cary on the status quo, still paying way over the odds for the privilige of Championship football again and again under the guidance of Brown and Co? Because that's what's proved to happen before, the facts are their to be seen.

If you cannot beat them, f*cking well join them I say. :wink:
If MSI came in cleared the debt gave Pardew the backing and the money to make us better and let him carry us forward then fine by me. If MSI come in bring with them 3 or 4 new players that Pardew doesnt want stifle the youth system and get involved with team selection and get busy in the changing rooms then I dont want it one bit and so far all the signs are sadly pointing to the latter half of my post with what HAS happened at Corinthians.........
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Gabers218 wrote:If MSI came in cleared the debt gave Pardew the backing and the money to make us better and let him carry us forward then fine by me. If MSI come in bring with them 3 or 4 new players that Pardew doesnt want stifle the youth system and get involved with team selection and get busy in the changing rooms then I dont want it one bit and so far all the signs are sadly pointing to the latter half of my post with what HAS happened at Corinthians.........

OKay, but Gabers that is all 'hear'say' regarding him coming in all Billy Big Bollox into the changing room demanding this and that of his players. Just rumours created from people who would never approve of him etc. And as regards bringing in players worthy of taking us forward, which has as the facts are there to be seen mate, have proven successful. If PAdre doesn't like the idea of a 'Tevez et al' being brought into the Club, then he knows where hte door is. But I'd bet anything Padre turns up the next morning to training welcoming talent fit to grace the West Ham shirt. :wink: Let's not assume just yet, that he would do all that anyway.

Capello, Rijkarrd, Benitez, Mourinho or the like, or Pardew? :think: Now hold on, bare with me, this decision's a toughy. :lol: :wink:
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Brazilian football is very different to English - i just cannot see that level of interference happening at West Ham .. even if the stories coming from Corinthians are even true.

As with the American freak family at Man U - these guys are businessmen and as such are not going to coming in and chuck £100m+ down the shitter by trying to change everything overnight.

Likely turn of events is that if they come in Jan lets say, Pardew will kept on for the rest of the season and then from there it will all depend on results.

It is all so similar to Chelsea with them all chanting Ranieri's name towards the back end of his last season - I wonder how many miss him now?

I dont want the back of Pardew - and let me add I never have done - but times they are a changing and if this investment turns us to a top 5 club whilst continues investment in the youth team - then so be it.
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Neil's Orr wrote: It is all so similar to Chelsea with them all chanting Ranieri's name towards the back end of his last season - I wonder how many miss him now?

I dont want the back of Pardew - and let me add I never have done - but times they are a changing and if this investment turns us to a top 5 club whilst continues investment in the youth team - then so be it.

Hear, ****ing, hear!


And I love Pardew for what he's brought to our club. The one thing Brown did get right, no thanks to Brookings reccommendation in the first place, don't forget! But Neil's absolutely spot on, how many would wish Ranieri to come back instead of the Special One?

I certainly don't think the interference in a dodgy league anyways, as they are all at it in Brazil, would happen under the watchful eye of the whole entire world. Kia surely wouldn't be that daft to interefere too much. I'm prepared to take that risk, because we've ot nothing to lose by doing it.
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Gabers218 wrote:If MSI came in cleared the debt gave Pardew the backing and the money to make us better and let him carry us forward then fine by me. If MSI come in bring with them 3 or 4 new players that Pardew doesnt want stifle the youth system and get involved with team selection and get busy in the changing rooms then I dont want it one bit and so far all the signs are sadly pointing to the latter half of my post with what HAS happened at Corinthians.........
This is all based on one rather poorly written newspaper article.

Having said that - I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would reject four top class players (Tevez and Mascherano are players that have gone to Corinthians, fact!) in order to ensure kids from the youth team get a game. As for the dressing room story - we don't know if it's true, but to be fair - if I had spent £200m on a team that were playing ***** I think I might just want to have a say too!

And what manager wouldn't want better players than he has already?
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Up the Junction wrote: This is all based on one rather poorly written newspaper article.

Having said that - I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would reject four top class players (Tevez and Mascherano are players that have gone to Corinthians, fact!) in order to ensure kids from the youth team get a game. As for the dressing room story - we don't know if it's true, but to be fair - if I had spent £200m on a team that were playing ***** I think I might just want to have a say too!

And what manager wouldn't want better players than he has already?
I dont understand that comment mate. How are these players ensuring the futures of the young stars. You all have your points which im more than happy to take on board but im just seeing it from the other view. All the plus points are built on what ifs just like my negative points are ?!?

I just worry that a lot of love and affection for this club could get lost in this takeover but I suppose im just being an old woman over it :wink:
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Gabers218 wrote: I just worry that a lot of love and affection for this club could get lost in this takeover but I suppose im just being an old woman over it :wink:

You're coming around though to the idea, I can feel it. :wink:
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Doubting Tomas wrote: No it wouldn't........we might actually achieve something.
Aren'e most players just mercenaries now, just out to benefit themselves. We'd just have the better ones.
It would be great if we could have a squad of lads all from east London and Essex and then win the league but it's never going to happen, and it wont ever happen the way we are going either.
This may be our only chance to change forever, from an under achieving yo- yo club into one that can challenge for serious honours.

We must take it.



Glory Hunter !!!!!!!!


you must be a spuds supporter in disguise. Supporting West Ham is not all about winning trophies ( as much as it would be nice to win one now and again.) It's about the club, the football, the history, Bobby Moore, Geoff hurst. It's in the blood.

Don't be too quick to sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver.

The board we have , have admitted their mistakes taken drastic action and ensured the long term viability of the club. It has been a bitter pill to swallow but it had to be done, We all make mistakes, let's make sure we don't make another one. The MSI deal stinks but let's leave it to the board to make the right decision by the club.
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Stevo wrote:
You're coming around though to the idea, I can feel it. :wink:
Never :twisted:
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Gabers218 wrote: I dont understand that comment mate. How are these players ensuring the futures of the young stars. You all have your points which im more than happy to take on board but im just seeing it from the other view. All the plus points are built on what ifs just like my negative points are ?!?

I just worry that a lot of love and affection for this club could get lost in this takeover but I suppose im just being an old woman over it :wink:
I think you're misreading my comment dude.

I don't think you're being an old woman - I understand why some folk have reservations. In all honesty it's impossible to judge what is for the best until we know a little more about our potential new owners.
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Up the Junction wrote: This is all based on one rather poorly written newspaper article.

Having said that - I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would reject four top class players (Tevez and Mascherano are players that have gone to Corinthians, fact!) in order to ensure kids from the youth team get a game. As for the dressing room story - we don't know if it's true, but to be fair - if I had spent £200m on a team that were playing ***** I think I might just want to have a say too!

And what manager wouldn't want better players than he has already?
Better players do not necessarily bring you success though. Most would agree that Chelsea and AC Milan overall have better players than Liverpool, but who walked off with the Champions League trophy last season? It would be fair to say that we had better players than a lot of teams in our relegation season but we still got relegated.

If you're going to bring in players, it must be players that the manager has chosen and can work within the TEAM, not players forced on him just because they are 'big name' signings. Unless you plan on changing the manager regularly when he doesn't agree with your decisions.......ie, bringing in a 'Yes' man, which is what Brown was accused of with Roeder.

It may all be 'paper talk' about the situation at Corinthians, but there's enough there to make me very wary of this takeover. At the end of the day though, it's not our decision, so we'll have to go with it,whatever the outcome. :D
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