The big Mark Noble debate...

[Marky]

The ultimatre flat track bully a good player against the Barnsleys of this world but hasnt got the engine for me. I think as a sub for the last 10-15 minutes maybe but Collison is the future

[Mad Professor]

Didn't we used to have similar debates about Carrick?

[Fionn]

Not many fans of any club would want to get rid of 21 year old who has done an awful lot for the club already and is captain of the England under-21's. Then again I forgot this was West Ham we were talking about.

For f*** sake, he doesn't reach his prime for another 6 or 7 years. If you expect a player to be as good as he can be at 21 you haven't been following football for very long. How good was Lampard at his age? Carrick? etc...

Remember how he played with Tevez? With the right players and coaches to learn off look what he can achieve. He's by far our most creative midfield player and the way we play at the moment is integral to going forward. Without him we wouldn't create half as many chances. He's getting used to this new position and to be honest is playing well in my book. There is always room for improvement but give the fella a chance.

[gash]

This post typifies all that is wrong in the modern game. Why the **** would you want to sell the lad? Having brought the lifelong Hammer through the ranks you think we need to sell him because he isn't Pele. He shows commitment and desire and enough ability to tell me he will be a good asset for years to come if the fickle shitehouses don't destroy his confidence. What a **** thread from a total ****er.

[Morocco Mole]

A couple more below-par performances like Collison had yesterday and there will be a thread like this about him....we could let Arsenal have both of them. Two for the price of one, credit crunch and all that...
****ing hangover from hell and then I come on here and read this tripe...

[Viking_Hammer]

Not many fans of any club would want to get rid of 21 year old who has done an awful lot for the club already and is captain of the England under-21's. Then again I forgot this was West Ham we were talking about.

For f*** sake, he doesn't reach his prime for another 6 or 7 years. If you expect a player to be as good as he can be at 21 you haven't been following football for very long. How good was Lampard at his age? Carrick? etc...

Remember how he played with Tevez? With the right players and coaches to learn off look what he can achieve. He's by far our most creative midfield player and the way we play at the moment is integral to going forward. Without him we wouldn't create half as many chances. He's getting used to this new position and to be honest is playing well in my book. There is always room for improvement but give the fella a chance.

I think this thread is really showing us who have sh*t for brains and who don´t. Maybe Lampard was right about us regarding some of our fickle fans

[red iron]

This post typifies all that is wrong in the modern game. Why the f*** would you want to sell the lad? Having brought the lifelong Hammer through the ranks you think we need to sell him because he isn't Pele. He shows commitment and desire and enough ability to tell me he will be a good asset for years to come if the fickle shitehouses don't destroy his confidence. What a sh*t thread from a total w***er.

what he said

[The Sherriff]

the boys a living legend as far as i'm concerned

never goes hiding and would run through brick walls for the claret n blue

not playing as well as he can at present but hes still only 21.

curbs deployed him a deeper role after normally playing in a more attacking midfield position whilst rising through the ranks, hes now been asked to adapt to another style and should be given time to adjust. dont dig your own west ham - hes a good lad.

his inclusion for the last 10 games of our relegation threatened season was more significant than Tevez ......imho if any sole person was responsible for the great escape then it was him above all others.

[Tel The Hammer]

UTJ, can we not have a ' knee jerk ' thread, or maybe just a plain and simple 'jerk' thread will suffice

Knee jerk?...

I posted this 8 weeks ago old son and have stated how overrated I feel Noble is all season.

Yet people are getting offended because I'm having a go at a West Ham boy...

Even some Viking from Iceland is having a pop.

[phukethammer]

For me Mark Noble has been a bog standard premier league player for at the least the last year, if not the last two years. I can't think of single thing he's done for us since scoring the pen against Liverpool about this time last year and he wasn't exactly standing out around that time either.

At and before the same age as Marky Noble our previous and current youth products have shown more than he has imo. Collison is currently outshining him at premier league level and he has very little top flight experience under his belt.

Because he's a West Ham boy, that doesn't make him a blinding player like many people I've spoken to seem to believe. Yes he tries, but he just seems to have very little influence of football matches he plays in. You might get the odd game where he puts in a decent but not great performance here and there and that'll keep his die hard fans happy for another six months, but that isn't good enough. He should be doing quite a bit better with the experience he's gained.

So for me if we can get a decent enough price for the fella, in between £5m - £8m, we should look at replacing him with someone better and for the kind of money I mention, surely Nani, Zola or even Clarke could pinpoint someone. Obviously the money just can't be pocketed by BG.

Would much rather see Noble go instead of Parker. West Ham boy or not...

maybe theres a south american we can find on youtube called el de marco de nobley we could replace him with the same money or season long loan.

[Swiss Pauli]

Knee jerk?...

I posted this 8 weeks ago old son and have stated how overrated I feel Noble is all season.

Yet people are getting offended because I'm having a go at a West Ham boy...

Even some Viking from Iceland is having a pop.

I think the reason people are having a pop is that you're effectively saying 'he'll never be good enough, sell him'. Plenty of people (me included) seem to feel he's struggled this season, but surely, at this early stage of his career, dropping/resting/benching him would be more appropriate than flogging him?

[Tel The Hammer]

I think the reason people are having a pop is that you're effectively saying 'he'll never be good enough, sell him'. Plenty of people (me included) seem to feel he's struggled this season, but surely, at this early stage of his career, dropping/resting/benching him would be more appropriate than flogging him?

Of course it would. But as I've stated loads of times our owners are not exactly flush, are they?, so I can't see that much money being made available in the summer. Everybody can see we're crying out for a striker to replace Bellamy - so once he's signed, I honestly can't see enough funds being available to be able to bring anyone better than Noble in.

But yet again people on this forum don't read the thread, they just jump on the bandwagon of trying to dig people out.

I originally started the thread saying if we needed to raise funds, I'd rather see Noble go instead of Parker. Since then I've stated that we should sell Noble to bring in the funds to replace him with a better player.

But if Noble is willing to accept a non-starting squad role, then all well and good. As I've already said about twice already.

[giblet]

Well, it seems to me that Collison and Noble are both good, but don't really compliment eachother.

I'd guess that once Zola considers Savio to be ready for 90 mins, one or other of the above with be dropped to the bench.

Why are people arguing about the terms, "dropped" and "rested". Weird.

[bobcar]

Didn't we used to have similar debates about Carrick?

Yes quite a few people wanted to get rid of him too - probably the same ones that want to get rid of Noble. I doubt Noble will become as good as Carrick but that doesn't mean he won't become a very good player for us (he's not that bad now).

Before a young player gets a regular starting spot there is always a big clamour for them to play, then when they show the faults you usually get with young players they want rid.

[The Old Man of Storr]

That was a delightfully weighted ball through to Di Michele yesterday , same as the one that set up Etherington for the goal against Fulham . It was Noble who skipped through the Chelsea defence to set up Bellamy and he gets through some work during a match .
Thoroughly committed West Ham boy who will only improve , so keep him here and don't let some other team reap the rewards of yet another one of our youngsters playing for them .

[I am Lawro]

Noble has been used as both a defensive minded midfielder and an attacking one in the past couple of years. In my opinion, he has done very well in both of those positions and has shown that he has a great deal of potential. Yes, maybe he does have some off games, so do most at his age. I think some people tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives, such as some of the completely sublime passes I have seen him make, yesterday being a prime example. If he keeps progressing and improving certain elements of his game, he could become a very, very important player. Hoping for many more years from him.

[red iron]

keep him here and don't let some other team reap the rewards of yet another one of our youngsters playing for them .

pretty much sums it up....

[RM9]

The same Mark Noble that according to several ITK's, was trying to get a move away from UP?

It's not knee jerk, it's my (and a few others) opinion that Noble will not blossom into the player we were all hoping for. I'd love him to prove me wrong.

FWIW, I don't think previous managers have helped his cause bu rushing him into first team football week in / week out. The same could be said about J Cole's apprenticeship at West Ham.

[Matt of iron]

The key to seeing if a young player will make it is whether they have good natural attributes.

Noble is not quick and in real life he is as dumb as a plank.


However on the pitch you can see he has a footballers mind, he is also looking up passes and passes the ball as well as Carrick did at his age.

I think Noble will be a cracking player and am more then willing to wait for this to happen, he has had a good season as it is,not great but most certainly good.

[I am law]

The ultimatre flat track bully a good player against the Barnsleys of this world but hasnt got the engine for me. I think as a sub for the last 10-15 minutes maybe but Collison is the future

I hope they can both have a future at the club.

Collison has shown some great promise, but he also showed inexperience in giving away a very dangerous free-kick yesterday. He seems to fade out of games long before they are complete too.

Noble's passing is improving, although I'd suggest we need to find a person with whom he can share set-piece responsibilities; too many are being wasted at the moment.

I would be pissed off if we sold Noble. He's not playing to his best level at the moment, granted, but he's young and has a good passing range. If we made it known he could leave for as little as £4M (a pretty low sum, in my book), a queue would form pretty quickly.