West Ham Utd 2 Arsenal 2 (25/10/09)

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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby PrawnSandwich on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:21 pm

I'd go with this:

------------------------Green---------------

Specs---Noble----Upson-----Parker--Tomkins---Ilunga----Kovac---Stanislas
----Jiminez-










------------------------Cole--------------------------

3-0 Arsenal
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby davids cross on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:24 pm

PrawnSandwich wrote:I'd go with this:

------------------------Green---------------

Specs---Noble----Upson-----Parker--Tomkins---Ilunga----Kovac---Stanislas
----Jiminez-










------------------------Cole--------------------------

3-0 Arsenal


I see you've shortened the space that normally appears behind Cole........ :lol:
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby the pink palermo on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:26 pm

16 selections

4 with Diamanti

8 with Jiminez

Looks like the Jurys still out on Jiminez, but heading towards being a settled case for Diamanti .

Hasn't started to snowing yet either .
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby PrawnSandwich on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:31 pm

davids cross wrote:I see you've shortened the space that normally appears behind Cole........ :lol:


That's actually a visual anomaly caused by light refraction from Jimenez' new barnet giving the illusion the distance is shorter than it is.
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby Hambrosia Stu on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:32 pm

the pink palermo wrote:Looks like the Jurys still out on Jiminez, but heading towards being a settled case for Diamanti .

Hasn't started to snowing yet either .

A bit harsh, imo

Sure, neither have pulled up any trees, but I don't think all the blame should be placed with the player's ability.

Our tactics and formations have hardly helped them!
Even in the report for the friendly game last night it was mentioned that Jimenez didn't seem to have a clue where he should be playing, and what he should be doing. Good to see our reserves are getting players used to what the 1st team is all about!

As for Diamanti, I'd like to see us give him a go on the left flank. But it seems that playing left footers on the left is an idea alien to Zola
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby Tel The Hammer on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:33 pm

-----------------------------Green-------------------------
---Faubert-----Tomkins------Upson-----Ilunga---
------------------------------Kovac------------------------
------------Behrami------Parker------Collison-------
--------------------Cole--------------Hines---------------

If we concede in the first 15-20 minutes, it could turn out to be a 5/6/7-0 belting.

I used to always fancy us a bit against the big boys, but that's disappeared under Zola.

I'm not even looking forward to going to this one, which is ****ing grim. :|
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby prophet:marginal on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:35 pm

prophet:marginal wrote:------------------------Green---------------

Specs-------Upson----Tomkins---Ilunga


-----------------------Kovac------------------


Noble-------------Parker--------------Stanislas


----------------------Jiminez-----------------------

------------------------Cole--------------------------

Hambrosia Stu wrote:Pretty much the line up I would pick

Whilst i do feel we need to give Cole more support, this is one game where we need to pack the midfield, imo. I'd probably have slightly different personell (I think I'd start with Behrami for Noble, and Collison for Stanislas), but agree with the formation. I'd would like to see Stanislas given a chance to run at them, even if it's from the bench. I agree with Spector at RB


Can't believe I missed out on Behrami! Him in for Noble.
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby davids cross on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:39 pm

Tel The Hammer wrote:I used to always fancy us a bit against the big boys, but that's disappeared under Zola.


We've become pussies, nice footballing pussies. We need some good old fashioned guts to go with the football. We used to turnover the big boys on a regular basis with lesser teams than we have now....... and a couple of centre forwards of course.
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby the pink palermo on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:48 pm

the pink palermo wrote:Looks like the Jurys still out on Jiminez, but heading towards being a settled case for Diamanti .

Hasn't started to snowing yet either .



Hambrosia Stu wrote:A bit harsh, imo

Sure, neither have pulled up any trees, but I don't think all the blame should be placed with the player's ability.

Our tactics and formations have hardly helped them!
Even in the report for the friendly game last night it was mentioned that Jimenez didn't seem to have a clue where he should be playing, and what he should be doing. Good to see our reserves are getting players used to what the 1st team is all about!

As for Diamanti, I'd like to see us give him a go on the left flank. But it seems that playing left footers on the left is an idea alien to Zola


Stu, my comments are reflective of the selections others, as well as myself , have made .

For Jiminez not to have any idea where he should be playing and what he should be doing is wrong .I asked on here a few weeks ago what the point of reserve fixtures was , hoping to get replies along the lines of having the first team and reserves playing the same type of game, so the players would know what their role is in the side -i.e make it easier to step up to the first team .

I may be being a little harsh on Jiminez as half of the selections include him- but that looks like a case of "ummm, not really sure, give him a game, see what he can do" .

Nobody has doubts about Collison, Upson, Green, Parker,Behrami,Cole, Illunga,Tomkins - a couple of them sure because we have no viable alternative , but nobody is kicking down doors saying Jiminez and Diamanti must be in the starting 11 .

Coming good in April won't help us .

FWIW I think Diamanti is a championship player, Jiminez looks better but needs to start delivering quickly .
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby ageing hammer on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:56 pm

-----------------------------Green-------------------------
---Faubert-----Tomkins------Upson-----Ilunga---

----------------------------Parker------------------------
------------Behrami------ -----Collison-------

--Jiminez------------------Cole-------------Diamanti---------------
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby westhamerica on Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:03 pm

--------------------- Green --------------------------
Fozzy Bear -- Tomkins -- Upson -- Ilunga
---------------------- Parker --------------------------
---------------------- Kovac --------------------------
---------------------- Noble --------------------------
-------------------- Collison --------------------------
-------------------- Jimenez --------------------------
---------------------- Cole --------------------------
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby prophet:marginal on Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:58 pm

I can just see that formation, by looking at your avatar!
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby cockneyjock on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:20 pm

i still maintain that from what I've seen of Jimenez he is a good player, but Zola just doesnt seem to use him in the right way. Diamanti, a totally different player from Jimenez, does give the odd glimpse of real talent, but then proceeds to **** up more often than not. I would play Jimenez against le Arse and bring Sideshow Bob off the bench if we need him.
I'd go:

Green

Faubert, Gabbidon (if fit), Upson, Illunga

Parker

Behrami Collison Stanislas

Jimenez Cole
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby tjr008 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:18 pm

Green
Faubert Upson Tomkins Ilunga

Parker

Jiminez Collison Behrami

Hines Cole

Bench: Dyer (ha!), Diamanti, Franco, Spector, Gabbidon, Noble

This is our best team, with the best balance.

Note: Kovac is not in the squad because he is total gash.
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby Stevey on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:33 am

the pink palermo wrote:I may be being a little harsh on Jiminez as half of the selections include him- but that looks like a case of "ummm, not really sure, give him a game, see what he can do" .

Nobody has doubts about Collison, Upson, Green, Parker,Behrami,Cole, Illunga,Tomkins - a couple of them sure because we have no viable alternative , but nobody is kicking down doors saying Jiminez and Diamanti must be in the starting 11 .


Surely that's a given, seeing as we've seen those mentioned for over a year now, whereas Jiminez and Diamanti only have a handful of games between them. Let's face it, Cole wasn't the most popular man in East London when he first broke into the first team but once he knew his role he soon became a big player for us. Who is to say those two cannot do the same?
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Re: West Ham V Arsenal (Match Thread) Cant Find one !

Postby Matt of iron on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:45 am

Tel The Hammer wrote:-----------------------------Green-------------------------
---Faubert-----Tomkins------Upson-----Ilunga---
------------------------------Kovac------------------------
------------Behrami------Parker------Collison-------
--------------------Cole--------------Hines---------------

If we concede in the first 15-20 minutes, it could turn out to be a 5/6/7-0 belting.

I used to always fancy us a bit against the big boys, but that's disappeared under Zola.

I'm not even looking forward to going to this one, which is f***ing grim. :|


I'd agree with the formation here, and I'm not particularly up for this either.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Arsenal: match thread

Postby Rodney on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:57 am

West Ham 0-2 Gooners. Green, Faubert and Jiminez all to have shockers :thup:
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Re: West Ham Utd v Arsenal: match thread

Postby roblo on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:58 am

Thank god the Liverpool v Man U game is on at 2. Can have a few beers and try to forget about the stuffing we're gonna take from Arsenal.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Arsenal: match thread

Postby Monkey Mike on Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:24 pm

roblo wrote:Thank god the Liverpool v Man U game is on at 2. Can have a few beers and try to forget about the stuffing we're gonna take from Arsenal.


I fear I have the same inevitable conclusion as you. It will be even more painful for me as I've got a birthday party to go to which will be comprised of 90% Goons. :(
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Re: West Ham Utd v Arsenal: match thread

Postby roblo on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:30 pm

Monkey Mike wrote:I fear I have the same inevitable conclusion as you. It will be even more painful for me as I've got a birthday party to go to which will be comprised of 90% Goons. :(


What a grind. I'll have a two hour plus journey back to Oxford with the missus asking why West Ham never win.
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