1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby I8CHAVS on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:02 am

So what colour was it then? I reckon it was blue no ***** would wear pink back then.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby Pop Robson on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:03 am

Here's another pic,

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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby Bobby Orangeboom on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:55 am

I8CHAVS wrote:So what colour was it then? I reckon it was blue no c***s would wear pink back then.


Idiotic Grays P*nis Child.

Our Main/Primary Colour was Sky Blue, but it appears we also wore a whole host of different Colours over a 10 Year Period, one of which could/may have been Salmon amongst others.

Now **** off back to your R.E. Lesson.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby I8CHAVS on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:59 am

So its a one in ten chance that your kit was right.........

10% :thdn:
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby Bobby Orangeboom on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:03 am

I8CHAVS wrote:So its a one in ten chance that your kit was right.........

10% :thdn:


Not at all, Ted Fenton's Grandad saw it with his own eyes & none of us should have any reason to disbelieve him..

Admittedly it wasn't our Primary Colour though, which i plus many other " experts " initially had it down as.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby I8CHAVS on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 am

Oh Dear
Oh Dear
Oh Dear

Seems a massive balls up.......

Bad darts.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby The Old Mile End on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:38 am

Cheers Pop

This photo clearly shows battlements all around the top of the building down the road. It must have been part of the estate. I know for sure that not all of it was demolished in 1955 and some of this building survived until the 1990's at least.

Another historic point corrected in this thread!
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby Ironworx on Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:12 pm

The Old Mile End wrote:
Another historic point corrected in this thread!


1899/1900 kit, 1900/01 kit, 1901/02/03 kit, White change strip, 1930 FA Cup tie, badge and lettering on the 1895/6 kit, Castleated buildings in Green St, and we've seen off the Villa Style 1899 kit, the abominable striped 1899 kit, and proved that Liverpool wore a pink kit into the bargain.....
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was (Probably).................

Postby hammer on Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:00 pm

Ironworx wrote:1899/1900 kit, 1900/01 kit, 1901/02/03 kit, White change strip, 1930 FA Cup tie, badge and lettering on the 1895/6 kit, Castleated buildings in Green St, and we've seen off the Villa Style 1899 kit, the abominable striped 1899 kit, and proved that Liverpool wore a pink kit into the bargain.....
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:33 pm

Just bought this antique engraving on e-bay for ten quid....

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Not very big at 5 x 6 inches but what an astonishing bargain :raver:
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Postby Up the Junction on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:37 pm

Aaaahh, eBay threads ...

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God bless Di Greekio ... I just wish we still had the picture.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:54 pm

Up the Junction wrote:Aaaahh, eBay threads ...

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7594" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

God bless Di Greekio ... I just wish we still had the picture.


I check on e-bay from time to time UtJ just in case there's anything of interest, I've seen a few things over time but this is the first time I've been tempted to buy. I bet it would go for more if the seller knew of the WHU connection....

Out of interest what did Di Greekio buy ?
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Pop Robson on Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:49 am

Ironworx wrote:Just bought this antique engraving on e-bay for ten quid....

Not very big at 5 x 6 inches but what an astonishing bargain :raver:


Was it this one?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1866-Paris-Fashio ... 27ac2ca09c
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:53 am

No, not that one Pop but I did see that one. It's of the Thames Ironworks office building.....


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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:40 am

I've done a bit of research Pop, and I think I know what it is.

The original was an engraving on wood used to print the June 30 1866 Illustrated London News, I've found independent verification of that edition containing the picture, that is definitely the provenance.

This is a print claimedly made from that engraving at that time, so it's either a print of just the Ironworks engraving done in 1866 - Or it's a print of the entire ILN page set up done at that time and cut down to depict only the ironworks.

I assume that the Paris Fashion / Ironworks print is one made from the whole ILN page setup.

It is evidence that the office building on the east bank of the creek was built by 1866, so it must have been just the registered address of the ironworks that moved across the creek from the old office building in 1903, it wasn't a move to a new building.
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby hammerdivone on Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:09 pm

I know I may be stating the obvious here so apologies if I am, but browsing through the old accounts I was surprised to see that Thames ironwroks & Shipbuilding Company Limited is owned by WH Holding Limited

West Ham United Football Club plc 100% Great Britain Professional football club
West Ham United Sportswear Limited 100% Great Britain Retail & merchandising
West Ham United Hospitality Limited 100% Great Britain Catering & hospitality
West Ham United FC Limited 100% Great Britain Non trading
Thames Iron Works & Shipbuilding Company Limited 100% Great Britain Non trading
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:00 pm

hammerdivone wrote:I know I may be stating the obvious here so apologies if I am, but browsing through the old accounts I was surprised to see that Thames ironwroks & Shipbuilding Company Limited is owned by WH Holding Limited

West Ham United Football Club plc 100% Great Britain Professional football club
West Ham United Sportswear Limited 100% Great Britain Retail & merchandising
West Ham United Hospitality Limited 100% Great Britain Catering & hospitality
West Ham United FC Limited 100% Great Britain Non trading
Thames Iron Works & Shipbuilding Company Limited 100% Great Britain Non trading


It was part of the group under Terry Brown, I assume it passed to Bjorgolfur Gudmundsson in the sale and then to WH Holding as part of the moratorium outcome. The company must either have been bought, or the name reregistered as a new company as Thames Iron went out of business in 1912.

I don't know how long it's been part of the group but I rather suspect that it's something that Terry Brown might do, as when I wrote the article for the matchday programme Terry Brown took personal interest and actively contacted Aston Villa so as to establish contact with their historians. Terry Brown was very WHU history minded, he commissioned an expensive model of HMS Warrior, and he owns a vintage Thames car manufactured by the Thames Engineering Works.

The Thames Engineering Works was the John Penn and Sons Ship Engine Works which collapsed 1898 I believe, and was bought out by Thames Iron in 1899 as it was their supplier of ship engines. Interestingly Barnes Wallis of Wellington bomber and Dambusters fame was a Thames Engineering apprentice, and Thames Engineering vehicles went on to become Thames vans, lorries and buses under Ford ownership.

The takeover of Penn and Sons by Thames Iron was a major factor in the foundation of WHU, as the takeover entailed becoming a public company which meant that Arnold Hills could no longer bankroll TIWFC from Thames Iron sources, and shareholders would be unlikely to countenance it = The team needed to become independent of Thames Iron which it did in 1900.

All interesting stuff..................
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Rocketron on Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:54 pm

Ironworx wrote:
It was part of the group under Terry Brown, I assume it passed to Bjorgolfur Gudmundsson in the sale and then to WH Holding as part of the moratorium outcome. The company must either have been bought, or the name reregistered as a new company as Thames Iron went out of business in 1912.

I don't know how long it's been part of the group but I rather suspect that it's something that Terry Brown might do, as when I wrote the article for the matchday programme Terry Brown took personal interest and actively contacted Aston Villa so as to establish contact with their historians. Terry Brown was very WHU history minded, he commissioned an expensive model of HMS Warrior, and he owns a vintage Thames car manufactured by the Thames Engineering Works.

The Thames Engineering Works was the John Penn and Sons Ship Engine Works which collapsed 1898 I believe, and was bought out by Thames Iron in 1899 as it was their supplier of ship engines. Interestingly Barnes Wallis of Wellington bomber and Dambusters fame was a Thames Engineering apprentice, and Thames Engineering vehicles went on to become Thames vans, lorries and buses under Ford ownership.

The takeover of Penn and Sons by Thames Iron was a major factor in the foundation of WHU, as the takeover entailed becoming a public company which meant that Arnold Hills could no longer bankroll TIWFC from Thames Iron sources, and shareholders would be unlikely to countenance it = The team needed to become independent of Thames Iron which it did in 1900.

All interesting stuff..................


I think we all remeber that ! :twisted:
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby beckton on Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:23 pm

How much did Terrence pay for the ship?
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Re: 1901/02 WHU Kit, It Was.................

Postby Ironworx on Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:29 pm

beckton wrote:How much did Terrence pay for the ship?


Browns boat... £225'000 rings a bell. The real ones anchored at Portsmouth. HMS Warrior, built 1860 at the ironworks, the first ironclad warship and at the time of it's launch the most formidable warship in the world.
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