Barry Hearn

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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Ironworx on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:35 pm

But what would he have a judicial review of ?

He could apply to have the awarding process reviewed, but there was nothing in that process about how near or far we would be from the Orient ground ! It wasn't a consideration, so how could it be reviewed as improperly proceeded ?

So far as I know there's nothing anywhere other than in PL rules that says how close grounds can be to one another, that's PL rules not the law and the PL have already given the go ahead....

I can see that he might have a grievance, but I can't see anywhere that he's got case that might stand on two feet in court
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby davids cross on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:35 pm

GideaParkHammer wrote: "So Mr Hearns, you are so concerned with the impact of West Ham moving close to Brisbane Rd, that your proposal to remedy this situation is to ask for land that is even closer to where West Ham are planning to move to. Now where is my black cap?"


:lol:

Can I add another contradiction that has been puzzling me.

Hearn says running tracks and football don't work. If that's the case won't it benefit Orient. Disillusioned WHU fans boycotting West Ham matches as they can't see the action. West Hams gates go down, maybe to less than they are now...........some might pop into Brisbane Road to see a match "close up".
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby wham1966 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:41 pm

Ironworx wrote:But what would he have a judicial review of ?

He could apply to have the awarding process reviewed, but there was nothing in that process about how near or far we would be from the Orient ground ! It wasn't a consideration, so how could it be reviewed as improperly proceeded ?

So far as I know there's nothing anywhere other than in PL rules that says how close grounds can be to one another, that's PL rules not the law and the PL have already given the go ahead....

I can see that he might have a grievance, but I can't see anywhere that he's got case that might stand on two feet in court


His contention is that the PL didn't do a proper assessment of the impact of WHU or Spurs moving to the OS, under their own rules. They simply waved it through. In a courtroom, the PL would be in squeaky bum time.
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby The Rebirth on Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:44 pm

Why is everyone saying this prick will sue or take legal action against West Ham? ****ing hell we were awarded the Stadium by the OPLC. He has no ****ing grounds to sue us, we were awarded the Stadium if anything he would have a case against THEM not us.
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Re: Barry Hearn

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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby davids cross on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:13 pm

Bedshammer wrote:http://leytonorient2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9860&sid=fb3a9be192b447c9058aba64e8180145"


If they move into the Hockey Stadium West Ham will be dead in 10 years...............keep off Barry :lol:
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Ironworx on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:54 pm

wham1966 wrote:His contention is that the PL didn't do a proper assessment of the impact of WHU or Sp*rs moving to the OS, under their own rules. They simply waved it through. In a courtroom, the PL would be in squeaky bum time.


It still doesn't make any sense as Orient arn't a premier league club so why should PL rules be in any way applicable to them ?
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby BARKING IRON on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:38 pm

I really cant stand this irritating prick doesn't he realize how he would make a complete fool of himself if he tried suing us or OPLC, He's argument has no grounds anyway because I am pretty sure west ham and orient wont be playing at home on the same week.
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby wham1966 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:02 am

Ironworx wrote:[It still doesn't make any sense as Orient arn't a premier league club so why should PL rules be in any way applicable to them ?


Point 6.5 of Section I of the Premier League rules regarding ground registration states: “The [Premier League] Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case [for moving stadium] and shall not consent unless reasonably satisfied that such consent would not adversely affect Clubs (or Football League clubs) having registered their grounds in the immediate vicinity of the proposed location.”

It's not just PL clubs.
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Ironworx on Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:31 pm

wham1966 wrote:
Point 6.5 of Section I of the Premier League rules regarding ground registration states: “The [Premier League] Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case [for moving stadium] and shall not consent unless reasonably satisfied that such consent would not adversely affect Clubs (or Football League clubs) having registered their grounds in the immediate vicinity of the proposed location.”

It's not just PL clubs.


Another wonderfully worded PL rule...

Immediate Vicinity - What does that mean ?

If somebody says in the immediate vicinity then I think that the general understanding is not more than 100M or so from, certainly not half a mile, a mile or a few miles...

It is very arguable that the two grounds are not in the immediate vicinity of one another given that some grounds are in the immediate vicinity of one another in accordance with general understanding of the term - Notts C and Forest...

Yet if you interpret immediate vicinity to mean much more then whats the difference to the existing situation where the Orient and West Ham grounds are already within a few miles of one another ?
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby loopyludo on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:07 pm

As the crow flies according to Gmap Pedometer
We are currently just under three miles (2.97) from them:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308350
OS is a little over a mile and a half (1.55) from them:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308338
OS is a little under two and a half miles (2.45) from Upton Park:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308353

I am waiting to see how exactly he is going to quantify us moving less than a mile (0.9) closer to them is going to affect his gates, more so than they already do. What is he going to say he will lose 500 fans for every 100 yards we move closer????

* Note my approximation of the OS maybe out slightly
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby HammerMan2004 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:32 pm

It's not us moving closer that's the problem. It's us offering £5 tickets in this amazing new stadium.
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby loopyludo on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:41 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:It's not us moving closer that's the problem. It's us offering £5 tickets in this amazing new stadium.

Fair comment, however already this season there have been plenty of offers on tickets, it's been the most affordable season to take the kids for quite some time. Why is he not threatening legal action about that?
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby HammerMan2004 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:47 pm

Because I doubt the odd game in 10 at low prices is going to make a difference. Consistently offering £5/10 tickets at our stadium offering Premier League football will be his arguement with regards keeping Leyton Orient visited in the future.

What I don't get is how he thinks a hockey stadium move will improve his chances...

Come watch Leyton Orient for £10...or....go watch the world's best footballers 150 feet down the path for the same price...
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Ironworx on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:12 pm

loopyludo wrote:As the crow flies according to Gmap Pedometer
We are currently just under three miles (2.97) from them:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308350
OS is a little over a mile and a half (1.55) from them:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308338
OS is a little under two and a half miles (2.45) from Upton Park:- http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4308353

I am waiting to see how exactly he is going to quantify us moving less than a mile (0.9) closer to them is going to affect his gates, more so than they already do. What is he going to say he will lose 500 fans for every 100 yards we move closer????

* Note my approximation of the OS maybe out slightly


Good post :thup:

Well, none of those distances accord with my appreciation of 'Immediate Vicinity', surely immediate vicinity means closer than is measured in miles...

But equally none of the distances are very far...

I really can't see how the difference is going to make any odds to them, surely a difference of under a mile isn't going to encourage anybody to watch West Ham
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby AJ on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:19 pm

Bedshammer wrote:http://leytonorient2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9860&sid=fb3a9be192b447c9058aba64e8180145" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Not having Orient in Newham thats our turf, can we launch a legal appeal :lol:
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Ironworx on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:23 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:It's not us moving closer that's the problem. It's us offering £5 tickets in this amazing new stadium.


We'd need better info to quantify that (and so would he) What will be the prices to watch Orient and West Ham at that time ?

But it's more complicated than that even....

To what extent do Premiership and League One teams compete for attendances ?

And football is unusual for it's brand loyalty, how many Orient fans would ever swap to West Ham ?

So far as future fans are concerned that fight was lost by Orient a long time ago, we've remained a top flight team in the main but not only have they slipped from being a second flight team to third flight but the separation of the flights has increased as well......
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby Romford on Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:21 pm

We are West Ham United...come from West Ham and have always played in the East London.

Leyton Orient were originally Clapton Orient and played in North London until 1937.

Leyton Orient are now moaning about us going onto "their turf",,,although they will be happy moving into a smaller stadium next to the OS (moving even nearer).

I think that sort of sums up the Hearn argument...and why the Spuds fan has no chance.
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby delbert on Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:31 am

I've a mate who's a spurs fan ( football aside he's a diamond bloke ), he was saying that if we move to Stratford we would cease to be in West Ham and should change our name to Stratford FC as we wouldn't be in West Ham anymore. I then told him we weren't in West Ham at the moment and ain't been for some considerable years, we were in fact in Upton Park.
Before he could carry on I explained that we couldn't change our name back then because there was already an Upton Park FC who played in West Ham park ( and scored the first goal in the first ever FA competition there ).
He then shut up and changed the subject to how many pubs local to the ground would probably close. I'd like to thank those off of here that gave me the knowledge to counter his argument ( mostly Ironworks I suspect ).
If I got any of that wrong then he wasn't the wiser........ :lol:
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Re: Barry Hearn

Postby GideaParkHammer on Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:59 am

Wot? I thought that, when confronted by supporters of more successful clubs, the West Ham way was to respond with the timeless..."Well we won the World Cup". All this history malarky is so hard to remember after a few pints and I would probably come out with something about Green St FC scoring the most goals in the Zenith Data Cup. I think I will stick to the World Cup win and mentioning Katy Perry in "that" basque.
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