Turns to Stone wrote:6 and we might have a chance.
At the risk of being told off again for criticising th players, I reckon 8 is nearer the mark .
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How many then? I reckon a couple of genuine quality first teamers and a couple for the squad. More would be nice, this would be the bare minimum. There are some poor / over-achieving squads in the Prem and I still think we'd be within touching distance most weeks.
Sam wanted Nolan and we are top of the league ~ FACT
Not buying Nolan and playing 4-4-2, 4-5-1, diamond, wingers etc. we would be even better off at the top of the league ~ CONJECTURE
End of story as far as I'm concerned
8 in total.....6 of them need to be amazing!
I can't remember who it was on here but recently someone said recently that we were set up to play as the underdogs in pretty much every game and I have to say that in the main whoever that was, was spot on.
And I do wonder at times if the manager is setting us up for next season already because in more cases than not, we *will* be the underdogs and have to go backs-to-the-wall if we get promoted.
From a personal point of view I think our first 11 isn't anywhere near mobile enough for the top flight and we need some real investment in the summer if we make it.
And TTS, that's a quality post you've just written - really balanced view of things
Turn to Stone.Good summary.
I like what Sam has done.
But there has never been a manager that we have agreed with on everything.
So this Nolan matter.
He was a good pick to complete Sam's Team as anticipated from limited knowledge of our squad.
An initial experience would have seen two fast raiding wide players Barrera and Faubert,who he supplemented with Taylor,O'neill and Bentley. He then had two Carrol types in Cole and Piq. Overall an ideal evironment for a Nolan.
Then his hopes were dashed...B & F didn't cut the mustard, the other wide players were injured, and the marquee signing didn't prove to be the all round mid fielder that most of us (who had probably only seen Match of the Day Nolan) expected.
So the revised set up, no wide players, wasnt going to suit Nolan's style.
That was the time for a plan B, when you needed max efficiency from 5 narrow midfielders,and the frustrating thing for me is that he ,Sam, has not tried a combination that excludes the Captain, more so in the early part of the Season when he was less fit. Not even subbed him to try a different blend. (Yes,He left him out of the Cup Match but there were too many variables in that team to be able to assess any lack of impact)
O.K. we are winning more than losing which seems to make Sam's team selection spot on....but I have fears that our results will worsen during the second half of the season when teams will/should push up from the start against us.
Seems to me you pays yer money and you take yer choice (literally). UTJ is surely right. We can expect, if we go up, percentage effective football that will keep us up. Only once that objective is achieved and we have more money available, will we begin to look for the kind of players that will allow more attractive football to be played. Remember JJ Okocha and Djorkaieff played for Bolton and they tried hard to get Benyoun.
If you don't like that and you like free flowing football - even at the cost of our getting promoted (as some are prepared to do) that's fine. However it may not just be a matter of not getting promoted. It may go as far as the survival of the club - or at the very least its continual decline, possibly into lower leagues. Posters often talk about being prepared to pay the cost of promotion in order to have more attractive football. They forget that we can go down as well as up. League One or Two anyone?
We have to remember just how far we have fallen. 10 years of utter mismanagement opf this club have left us in a parlous state. Just because things seem relatively OK now doesn't mean the underlying situation isn't alarming. If Sullivan and Gold decided to cut their losses and pull out of the club we'd be in administration before you can say Jack Robinson.
So it may be that a pragmatic return into, and consolidation in, the Premiership has as its alternative the outside possibility of administration. That may be the choice that's being made. Or do fans here expect Gold and Sullivan to shell out further millions of their own money if we don't get promoted?
So it's all about choice. Which of the altrnatives do you prefer?
We need.... 2 full backs, a center half, a couple of wingers and a striker. And they must all be better than what we already have
We should be looking to build our team around our English spine of Green, Tomkins, Noble, Nolan and Cole
Just plucking players from teams around the middle of the Premiership i'd like to see something like this.... (not actually these players but simular type/quality)
I see no reason why we can't have a team as good as that in a couple of years time
I can't believe you haven't put De Jong in there. Do you have no ambition?!?!
I will apologies though as i feel the need to Pinks, what you said about you, Bristol & all the others that make much harsher comments, i apologies to all sticking up staunchly for the Captain of West Ham United Football Club when people like you all criticize him endlessly. I'll forget the fact that he came into a shambles of Football Club yet is now leading us to automatic promotion and a league championship.
& i apologies for absolutely despising the Captain of our Club for the past couple of seasons who treated the duty of being the club Captaincy with utter contempt and a complete lack of respect.
By your logic, i am wrong for feeling what i do for both of the above situations.
No wonder you think ( wrongly i may add ) that i think you're a C*nt Pinks aye ??
Can you show me where i actually make out Nolan is good in the first place please ??
When it comes to getting into goalscoring positions. He's actually very, very good. Sadly his finishing has been distinctly average this season.
As with most West Ham topics, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
He's above average at what he does, those that make the point that he earns more than an 'above average' player are right. But personally, I think he's been an important component in Allardyce's side that currently sits atop the Championship. Worth the money in my opinion. But then that's the beauty of opinion's after all.
Now come on everyone, let's be a bit nicer to each other. It's 'Arry's day after all.
The fact that you are constantly defending him against criticism (justified criticism) kind of suggests that you think he is better than what many other fans do.
I disagree with virtually everything TPP says on this forum but the one thing I do make him right on is Kevin Nolan and all of the STH around me in the BML think exactly the same.
It doesn't Mate, it doesn't suggest that as it's not true, do not necessarily think Nolan is a better Player than what many Fans do.
I do think he is an excellent Captain though, but i don't necessarily think he's a better player than he is, even though i think he can play better than he currently is this year.
I am however sick to death of people giving him the amount of stick though that he has had from day one all things considered, you're right there.
Hmmm, obviously it's an opinions thing, but for my money, Pinky gets it right more than he gets it wrong....obviously aside from the Avram Grant stuff. Which only an absolute moron would agree with.
The beauty of opinions indeed - because that is something, based on his performances thus far, that I simply cannot agree with.
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