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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by stu1 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:25 am

El brooko79 wrote:
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This is my main concern tbh.
I'm sure it's not his motivation but keep hearing all about game time for world cup.

Needs to be a secondary motivation
I don’t think it’s anything to worry about, I’m sure his primary motivation is just to play, like it was last January.

That being said even if his primary motivation is to get in the England squad, Euro 2024 is only 18 months after the World Cup anyway.

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Post by Clacton-ammer » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:32 am

If he "just" wants to join us to get in the England squad, which I highly doubt, I don't have a problem with it as to get in the squad he has to play well, so win win.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by S-H » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:34 am

Say we do sign Lingard permanently, what length of contract would people be comfortable with him receiving

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Post by hammers92 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:36 am

S-H wrote:
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Say we do sign Lingard permanently, what length of contract would people be comfortable with him receiving
3 years seems fair.

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Post by Coops » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 am

3 years sounds right. I think he proved himself enough during his loan spell.
He will be 31 then and probably heading towards the twilight years of his senior career.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by stu1 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:44 am

Coops wrote:
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3 years sounds right. I think he proved himself enough during his loan spell.
He will be 31 then and probably heading towards the twilight years of his senior career.
Lingard is 29 next month.

Assuming we sign him in the summer then ye I’d expect him to get a 3 year deal taking him to the age of 32.

If we sign him in Jan it will need to either be a 2.5 year or 3.5 year deal as it can’t end mid season but I doubt he’d sign a 2.5 year deal.

If he demands a 4.5 year deal I think that’s a problem as he’ll no doubt want to be one of our highest earners and I’m not sure he’ll justify that when he’s 32/33.

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Post by Bond Holder 59 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:20 am

stu1 wrote:
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Lingard is 29 next month.

Assuming we sign him in the summer then ye I’d expect him to get a 3 year deal taking him to the age of 32.

If we sign him in Jan it will need to either be a 2.5 year or 3.5 year deal as it can’t end mid season but I doubt he’d sign a 2.5 year deal.

If he demands a 4.5 year deal I think that’s a problem as he’ll no doubt want to be one of our highest earners and I’m not sure he’ll justify that when he’s 32/33.
Hi Stu, your post outlines the issue well. I think Jessie missed the boat re guaranteed start if he had joined last summer, but tactically I think he missed an optimum contract chance as well. At 28 you can see three years more, but imagine if he gets an injury next season, he might never get back to full fitness or performance. Would you offer three years at top wages with no resale value?

Appreciate I’m spouting hypocritically, but it’s business and a younger player with more resale on same contract makes more sense. To balance, a two year contract with one year option might keep everyone happy. However, what will Newcastle offer for similar contract terms?

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by irving boleyn » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:23 am

Three years would tie him in with Rice.

Just a feeling that he'll only come to us if Declan is staying, we're not a very attractive proposition without him,I'm afraid.

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Post by Billy Hunt » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:24 am

No idea of Lingard's career injury record, but his fitness levels appeared to be excellent last season when with us, I think there are a fair few miles in the tank yet. So a contract taking him through to aged 32 surely cannot be a problem. His ability and experience at the highest level, along with the level of performance we generally saw from him last season, make him a great signing for a relatively low January fee if we want to push on.

Antonio is 32 early next year, has a suspect injury record and is not being written off just yet despite his age.

30 plus really isn't the barrier it used to be seen as

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:30 am

S-H wrote:
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Say we do sign Lingard permanently, what length of contract would people be comfortable with him receiving
Let's not talk about receiving lengths. You'll have CHAVS back in here banging on about Barry from Rotherham.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by Bond Holder 59 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:37 am

Billy Hunt wrote:
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No idea of Lingard's career injury record, but his fitness levels appeared to be excellent last season when with us, I think there are a fair few miles in the tank yet. So a contract taking him through to aged 32 surely cannot be a problem. His ability and experience at the highest level, along with the level of performance we generally saw from him last season, make him a great signing for a relatively low January fee if we want to push on.

Antonio is 32 early next year, has a suspect injury record and is not being written off just yet despite his age.

30 plus really isn't the barrier it used to be seen as
Fair point Billy, but to clarify my point was at 31+ he’ll be on top dollar and probably not close to starting, and not worth anything re resale. Agree he’s fit and mobile now, but cannot imagine he’ll improve over his final seasons. A bit like Yarmalenko (money aspect only).

For a club like us, it’s a big decision. I cannot forget Reid and Wiltshire buyouts.
Finally, let me say he’ll improve our squad for next year for certain. Just an opinion.
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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by Denzil » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:44 am

If we sign him you'd assume it would be a 3.5 year deal taking him to 2025

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Post by iLoveLasagne » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:31 pm

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Given the new guy will know it is an interim role only they might find a problem getting a new manager. Cannot think of any top managers out of work whose ego would allow for an “interim” appointment. Why would a top manager under contract take it on and is any “Solskjaer light” better than Carrick anyway.

I suppose they could approach an international manager eg Martinez to “double up” until the summer. They may have looked at Mancini but with Italy in the play offs in the spring that is less likely.

Jesse must know therefore that the next 6 months at Man Utd are at best “limbo” at worst a waste. There will be something like 14 games before the World Cup next season. If he is serious about the squad he needs to impress this year and that is best achieved by far more regular football. For me the biggest threat remains Newcastle as he would start week in week out, they will be high profile and pay the wages. Loan would be a no-brainer for both parties otherwise a transfer with a relegation release clause like Ba apparently had at our place.
Going to Newcastle could still represent a big risk footballing-wise. Jesse 3.0 whiteboard at Newcastle would look a lot different to his previous one.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by hammerman11 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:39 pm

3 year with a 1 year option I would expect. if we can get him for 10m then its a yes as we need further options as we need to rotate more .

bowen benrahma fornals and vlasic are vying for 3 spaces. how good to add lingard into the equation.

best 3 start is what moyes do, no guarented starters .

If he plays like last time then he will be starting. raises everyones game.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by S-H » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:41 pm

Look who finally remembered his password..

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by hammerman11 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:46 pm

now now be nice ! :crylol: :crylol:

bet you have all missed me ! :rofl:

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by S-H » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:50 pm

hammerman11 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:46 pm
now now be nice ! :crylol: :crylol:

bet you have all missed me ! :rofl:
For a fella who loves to list, I'm amazed you didn't write it down..

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by hammerman11 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:52 pm

trying to cut the lists down until January the 1st .

enjoying the footie and going to a few games

enjoy the ride onboard the west ham rollercoaster !

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by WestHamLyallStyle » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:55 pm

Don’t stay at Man U where you’ll be on the fringes Jesse, come to London. You’ll become a better player. You get on with the manager and we’ve got a good group of lads here, as you know. No showmen here just a decent squad trying to improve week on week.

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Re: Jesse Lingard

Post by hammerman11 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:59 pm

well if he doesnt sign on the 1st January we need to move on. we have a lot of games and need him asap.

I reckon he will be here in January

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