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Only one fan on Govt's “Fan-led” review.

Post by Big George » Sat May 22, 2021 8:58 am

Kev Miles is going to have to do a lot of representing.

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Post by WebmasterFF » Sat May 22, 2021 9:23 am

I know what you mean, it would have been good to have a couple of other supporter group leads there however would that then dictate it more in favour of those clubs (for example the spirit of Shankley group making it beneficial to Liverpool)

The list appears fairly balanced in representing every area and on paper looks like a good mix

One from the FSA representing fans
One Chief Executive from a PL Club (who were against the ESL)
One director from a lower league representing Football League Clubs
A former secretary representing non league clubs
One representing players
One knowledgeable around football finance
A head of a major English sporting body independent of football
One representing womens football

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Post by Big George » Sat May 22, 2021 10:17 am

Not sure many of that out pass the “cold nights in Stoke” test. Most of them would already be welcome in their clubs’ boardrooms which rather defeats the point.

Danny Finkelstein is a case in point, he may be an Arsenal STH but he’s not going to push for meaningful change.

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Post by e17 » Sat May 22, 2021 10:22 am

Where’s the esports or LBGTQ rep?!?

Will say, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Clarke Carlisle, and the bloke is as working class and as smart and passionate as anyone you’ll meet when it comes to football. Really really lovely chap.

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Post by Big George » Sat May 22, 2021 11:33 am

e17 wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 10:22 am

Will say, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Clarke Carlisle, and the bloke is as working class and as smart and passionate as anyone you’ll meet when it comes to football. Really really lovely chap.
A friend of mine had some dealings with him, he is less complimentary.

Not sure Lord F is helping himself here.

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Post by Mega Ron » Sat May 22, 2021 3:49 pm

The FSA are part of the establishment now anyway.

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Post by Kialos » Sat May 22, 2021 3:57 pm

I agree with BG, a more accurate description would be to call it a football executives led review. They might as well have Gold and Sullivan on it, they are fans as well after all.


What an absolute waste of an opportunity for real fan engagement and fresh sets of eyes.

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Post by the pink palermo » Sat May 22, 2021 4:03 pm

Mega Ron wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 3:49 pm
The FSA are part of the establishment now anyway.
Possibly.

If you spend a long time lobbying the same people for change you eventually get a touch too comfortable, a bit too close to the people you started out seeking to change.

A kind of Stockholm syndrome.

The anger over the proposed ESL caused an outcry that wanted real change in football governance, what may come in several years time is a minor tinkering around the edges, with the likes of the FSA possibly accepting the best deal they can get, rather than pushing hard for genuine reform.

The danger is they will believe, when told, that certain things cannot be changed, when, in truth, it's usually just a lack of will.

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Post by Big George » Sat May 22, 2021 4:42 pm

Mega Ron wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 3:49 pm
The FSA are part of the establishment now anyway.
I think that is very harsh on Kev. He was prime driver behind a lot of good things that have happened in Football (away price cap for example). He was be a, possibly the only, solid voice in there.

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Post by Mega Ron » Sat May 22, 2021 5:44 pm

Big George wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 4:42 pm
I think that is very harsh on Kev. He was prime driver behind a lot of good things that have happened in Football (away price cap for example). He was be a, possibly the only, solid voice in there.
I agree that they have been great. I just don't think they quite represent the fans as much as they use to. There is a lot more focusing on the clubs and I think it's to their detriment.

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Post by Samba » Sun May 23, 2021 4:01 am

Kialos wrote:
Sat May 22, 2021 3:57 pm
I agree with BG, a more accurate description would be to call it a football executives led review. They might as well have Gold and Sullivan on it, they are fans as well after all.
They purport to be.
Definitely fans of money though.

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Post by Watford 'Ammer » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:07 pm

Slightly off topic, but an FSA update linked to match-days:

http://hammersunited.com/police-crime-s ... rutinised/

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Post by whuisa_bonds_H » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:26 pm

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-fan-groups-give-evidence-to-the-fan-led-review/

Earlier this week, supporters from fan groups in the FSA’s Premier League network gave evidence to the government’s fan-led review. The chair, Tracey Crouch MP, and the rest of the panel heard from a number of supporters trusts and fan groups about the big issues in the top flight.

“WHUISA were delighted to be able to take part in the presentation to Tracey Crouch and to hear from other Premier League clubs on the issues affecting the game.

“Our Chair, Sue Watson, spoke about the history of a football club and how the cultural heritage develops from that, leading into the impact of this on supporters of all generations. She described how a culture grows out of the shared stories, the memories, the rituals, songs, and the home stadium itself. However, she emphasized that the most important aspect of the cultural heritage are the supporters – while owners and shareholders come and go, supporter loyalty remains consistent.

“We argued for the introduction of a golden share as it would ensure that the best aspects of a well-run business become part of how the Club relates to its supporters. Decisions arising from business plans, whether stadium moves, training facilities and badges, would be made with those who are the most emotionally invested in their clubs.

“Finally, Sue gave a passionate and emotive description of the impact on her that followed the move from the Boleyn Ground to the London Stadium. From a deeply personal perspective, she described how moving to the new ground has decimated the culture of West Ham fans who must pick up the pieces and attempt to fit new memories into that heritage.”

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Post by Kialos » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:02 pm

Well done Sue :newthumb:

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Post by OohAahButler » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:03 pm

I find myself in the odd position of coming on here to defend Danny Finkelstein!

I’ve read his column for donkeys years in the Times, and despite being a Chelsea fan he genuinely seems to ‘get it.’ He strikes me as a genuine advocate for fair play and a level playing field, and I’m sure I’ve often read him criticising the greed that has spoilt the game. As well as being a true football fanatic (indeed, obsessive) he obviously has friends in high places, a platform to air his views and influence amongst the powers that be.

Put it this way, he’s no more or less of a fan than me, but he might be a bit better than I would be sitting on that committee and trying to drive change.

I met him a couple of times too, briefly. Seems a decent enough bloke.

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Post by Big George » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:31 pm

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Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:03 pm
I find myself in the odd position of coming on here to defend Danny Finkelstein!

I met him a couple of times too, briefly. Seems a decent enough bloke.
I don't care how nice he is or that he is a fan, this review was designed to give the average match going fans a voice. He's a Government Peer who is close to the Prime Minister, a man who a piece TODAY in the Times saying there's nothing wrong with giving fat contracts to mates.

He is not a man for a fan led review.

I doubt he's ever struggled to get a ticket for any game home, away or cup finals, or even not been able to afford to go, he's probably never been kettled, been marched round Birmingham by West Mids Police for two hours, had to do the cardiac busting climb to the St James' Park away end or ever had a dissenting view from the PL and the goons that run his club.

If you accept him on the review, you might as well have Brady.

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Post by Doc H Ball » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:41 pm

There's a lot riding on this for the FSA.

They have been actively trying to work with PL boards to establish dialogue and recognised Trusts. At HU we were asked if we were just a protest group or more than that?

If there is no tangible progress with the ISC here or this review, then fans should abandon all dialogue. Direct action has proven itself far more effective in the last couple of months.

It's a ridiculous panel. I respect a number of them but not as fans' representatives.

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Re: Only one fan on Govt's “Fan-led” review.

Post by OohAahButler » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:02 pm

Big George wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:31 pm
I don't care how nice he is or that he is a fan, this review was designed to give the average match going fans a voice. He's a Government Peer who is close to the Prime Minister, a man who a piece TODAY in the Times saying there's nothing wrong with giving fat contracts to mates.

He is not a man for a fan led review.

I doubt he's ever struggled to get a ticket for any game home, away or cup finals, or even not been able to afford to go, he's probably never been kettled, been marched round Birmingham by West Mids Police for two hours, had to do the cardiac busting climb to the St James' Park away end or ever had a dissenting view from the PL and the goons that run his club.

If you accept him on the review, you might as well have Brady.
I was taking your points on board until you compared him to Brady!

Agreed: he’s not an everyday fan.
Agreed: there should be more of the long-suffering type of fan that you describe on there.

But he’s not a morally-bankrupt, hypocritical, self-publicising leech like our Karren. And he genuinely loves the game.

In the world of these type of quangos, unfortunately any ‘real’ fans on there would most likely just be there as tokenism so the decision-makers can say ‘look - we’ve listened.’

I at least would trust him to put the case both ‘officially’ but - in the world of realpolitik- more importantly, behind closed doors when the actual horse trading takes place.

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Post by Diogenes » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:13 pm

Well done WHUISA. Its a marathon, not a sprint. Some expect too much too soon. Yes its frustrating, but its all a step forward in the scheme of things.

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Post by GaryP » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:21 pm

Doc H Ball wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:41 pm
There's a lot riding on this for the FSA.

They have been actively trying to work with PL boards to establish dialogue and recognised Trusts. At HU we were asked if we were just a protest group or more than that?

If there is no tangible progress with the ISC here or this review, then fans should abandon all dialogue. Direct action has proven itself far more effective in the last couple of months.

It's a ridiculous panel. I respect a number of them but not as fans' representatives.
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