Filed: Monday, 22nd October 2012
By: Staff Writer
Southampton fans have their say after their team were thumped at the Boleyn Ground on Saturday afternoon...
Tactically, Adkins got it spot on first half. Saints dominated without really threatening too much. West Ham didn't even have a sniff. Then came the all-too-familiar suicidal two minutes and the game was over. Both goals were 'gifts' in the extreme. I can't quite fathom how Boruc was at fault, though. He wasn't as bad as many have pointed out. It's quite easy to beat Saints at the moment - we just implode. We dominated large parts of the game and lost 4-1. West Ham didn't string more than two passes together. Funny game football.
- Suomi Saint
It's all very well playing God knows how many passes sideways and backwards while the opposition get ten men formed up in a defensive shield then try to pick them apart. We have possession but we aren't hurting the opposition. We were undone by a lack of defensive organisation. Yesterday we formed up all right but as soon as the WHU attackers went forward we dropped right on top of the keeper causing the chaos. We need a top class defensive coach to sort it out.
Adkins tactics worked well for 45 minutes but we needed to change. West Ham just sat back at home and took the first half boos, bringing us on to them and stretching us to an extent to open us up. If we had sat back a bit more and drew them out, our defence would have been more compact and our attack would have had a bit more space. Nothing much to say about the defence as we have all seen it a few times before. The selection of Boruc made sense especially when you saw him alongside of Carrol, no way was he getting bullied but Gazza was unlucky there.
- up and away
Very poor again today. West Ham must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the team sheet came out and they saw that Saints would be starting the match with 10 players. What does Guly bring to the team, can anyone truly say? West Ham did not look that great and I think we have gone downhill since last season.
In the first half it was all Saints but with no end product. Leaving our best player (Lambert) on the bench is suicidal in this division, if we had gone infront it could (and maybe should) have been a different result. The major issue is our defending; why did we get rid of Wally Downes, who is now at west ham? He seems to have sorted them out. At least our support was immense and Upton Park aint far off the emirates for silence.
As simple as it sounds we got 'Fat Sam-ed'. We lost because Carroll goes down quicker than a Thai hooker and they exploited it with devastating effect. Cheating at its finest as they were SHOCKING, the most abysmally bad footballing side in the football league, Burton Albion and Gillingham would have been ashamed of that type of performance! When Lambert came on we should have made it 2-2 and the game would have been ours as West Ham had no answer for us controlling the ball. Instead we played into that diving ****'s hands and failed miserably.
The gameplan worked a treat in the first half albeit against a very poor, predictable side. We commanded the midfield, my biggest fear going into the game, and won most second balls. Individual mistakes - not formations - cost us and the timing of the first and second goals knocked the stuffing out of us. Even then we managed to rally and nicked a goal but the penalty -needlessly conceded - killed it. Lambert had some of his poorest games against West Ham last season, making Winston Reid look like a world-beater, and didn't really trouble them after he came on. Whether that justifies dropping a potential matchwinner though is debatable.
The referee was an absolute joke, as was the linesman nearest to us. Carroll went down very easily all game and play-acted... But neither of our centre-backs, particularly Hooiveld, got the message! They constantly had their arms around him which just gave him licence to go down and win a lot of free kicks, one of which they scored from, and the penalty.
I think we might be seeing here just how much we overachieved last season. That said, we're still outside the relegation zone - for now - and it looks like this could be a record low season for achieving safety. I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. Learn what we can from this, draw a line, and on to the next game.
I'm still in shock we lost today. We've been told for the the last few months Carroll is a carthorse, Allerdyce is a crap manager who hasn't got a clue and Wet Spam (lol) were a crap team who will go back down. We are far better than them, we were told. It should have been easy...
Comments originally posted at thesaintsfc.proboards.com and saintsweb.co.uk.
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by Gazza the hammer
05:21PM 23rd Oct 2012
''Just lovely, delusional opposition fans.
No West Ham weren't great but we have players with Premier League experience. Makes a huge difference.''
by Bristol Hammer
03:23PM 23rd Oct 2012
''To the saints fan with the white stick who feels his team was even in this game. If poor Dicky Lampost's free kick had not gone over its strange you was playing against the most abysmal, worst footballing side in the EPL not the football league that were you are used to playing. Burton Albion would have been ashamed to play like WHU did you still lost 4-1 - so if we are useless/rubbish, what does that make you?
The Saints play their best football 65 yards from the opponents goal finishing with a stylish 30-yard backpass to one of the three 'keepers you have played this season to stem the ever-rising tide of goals that leak through the sieve you call a defence.
I have taken to betting a 5.00 every week that the Saints concede three goals or more. Without doubt you are the most biased bad losers I have ever seen. If you were at the game you will know you got badly beaten and you will soon be back plaing football in your beloved Football League. See you soon, 11.40pm BBC 1.''
10:06AM 23rd Oct 2012
''You have to laugh at some of those comments... Yes we were unimpresive in the first half, but Saints playing the ball around and having 55% possession in your own half doesn't win you games. Trust me, we have been there!
BFS is a tactically aware manager who wins games. We are joint fifth in the league and have a game next weekend that could see us go into a Champions League spot. I don't know a Saints fan anywhere that could honestly say they wouldn't swap with us in a flash given the chance. A the end of the season we will be mid table and Saints wil go down... End of.
And ping wing... You obviously know very little about football and should just admit that West Ham are a stronger team, a more professional team, a team with more PL experience and a much better squad. You can slag us off and call us cheats as much as you want... It won't change the fact that we are a superior team and a far superior club.
06:53AM 23rd Oct 2012
''Looks like some very bad losers here...''
by Phill Jones
10:47PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Wow. What a deluded lot the SH fans are. Pretenders to the "purist football" title. They are no Barca, they are not even a Swansea, and they never will be. They are an average Championship side at best and are not ready to swing it with the big boys. West Ham are not the messiah either but lets let the 4-1 score line speak for itself.
"Shurlock" - Winston Reid may just be the CB he always had the potential to be......a world beater. Incredibly athletic and the quickest player in the Premier League this year (fact). You don't have one defender in your entire squad with the pace and ability to read the game as well as him. Good luck with the rest of your season and enjoy the Championship next year.''
08:51PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Not sure i was at the same game as this lot? First half was woeful but you don't win 4-1 without deserving it and the reason Andy Carroll was going down was because he was being fouled left, right and centre... It's alright though, glad they're lemon, just means we got the right result!''
by g portugal
08:11PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Same old Southampton. All mouth, no end product. Southampton fouled Andy Carroll all game long because they couldn't cope with him. You play it on the floor? Then why can't you score? And why are you in the relegation zone? Bitter and twisted South Coast. Nothing changes.''
06:54PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Not sure where they get a few of their comments from:
Dominated the midfield?
Andy Carroll a cheating diver?
Didn't string more than two passes together?
A very poor, predictable side?
Carroll went down very easily all game and play-acted?
The Carroll detractors in particular must not have been at the game or failed to watch the highlights. It was clear that he was being fouled regularly and that the centre backs were actually quite lucky not to get sent off. The elbow incident deserved a minimum yellow, for instance.
There were a few honest appraisals, but the one that seemed to have a real grasp of the game was Derry - dominating possession is NOT the same as dominating a game or the opposition. I didn't have the luck to be at the game and was worried by the stats on possession until I saw the skylights. Lots of passing in your own half and half as many shots on target isn't domination. We may not pass the ball as well as them but we are certainly more effective in possession and better at defending.
Now, I'm not a deluded West Ham fan either, so it was far from a perfect game for us either. Clinical on chances is always nice, but our passing on a few occasions was woeful. Linda had a poor game but others were culpable too - even diame had a poor game by his standards. One highlight for me, other than the obvious, was Yossi's work rate and contribution.
Anyway, points in the bag and on to Wigan. Let's hope for another effective/clinical performance and some points to take us into the tough run that follows full of confidence. Wonder if any of the kids will get a runout? Then again, Maiga will want one too and rightly so based on his performance.''
by Claret & Blue Mako
06:22PM 22nd Oct 2012
''May I suggest pingwing takes up dominos as he/she clearly knows nothing about football.''
05:58PM 22nd Oct 2012
''I almost feel bad for Southampton. They had a start to the season similar to what we had two years ago when we were relegated. That season we played a very tough first five games or so and after picking up minimal points we were down in confidence.''
by Al Beefhooked
05:40PM 22nd Oct 2012
''They don't like it up 'em over there do they? pingwing and turkish have got tourettes methinks.''
03:43PM 22nd Oct 2012
''A few bitter and twisted Southampton fans there! Probably the same sort that wished Harry Redknapp dead for managing Pompey.''
by Jimmeh Pop
03:14PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Gotta love being called cheats after their shameful displays last season.
Happy for them to call us a crap team though. It just makes me laugh. You can have whatever opinions you like; at the end of the day the table doesn't lie.''
03:06PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Poor, poor, poor Southampton. If only your management realised that you have to invest in the Prem to have any chance of beating the drop! I agree you guys had the better of the first half but if we was playing like an average team what does that say about your lot of tosh in the second half? Shocking? I believe that would be the word most would use!
I actually have a close friend who supports Southampton and I was glad of all three teams from the south going up last season but you gotta really stop blaming the opposition for your poor tactics and end product because honestly you only have yourselves to blame. I for one hope you stay up regardless of what you think of the Cockney Boys, learn from this game and good luck for the next one your going to need it. ;)''
by Saints Man
02:21PM 22nd Oct 2012
''I think the last comment has been taken slightly out of context there BTW.
[Editor - not by us it hasn't.]''
02:07PM 22nd Oct 2012
''Was Carroll diving? I thought the ref was being quite lenient on the Southampton defenders, to be honest. Especially first half.
Honest thruth though - we were poor. If we'd lost the game, I don't think too many people could have had much of a complaint. Apart from the goals, we didn't create many clear opportunities. However, the fact that we won despite a poor performance does give some confidence. In previous seasons (eg. under Avram Grant) we would have lost that match after Southampton came back to 2-1. I guess it was what you'd call a "professional job."
On to Wigan. Another three points will put us in a very nice position ahead of some difficult games over the next month or so.