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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by bigcarpchaser » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:29 am

If you’re seriously considering an RRS then get over to the relevant forum and do your research.
Having had both a Disco 3 and a 4 I can vouch for the fact that they’re not cheap to run. The 3 used to cost a bomb, the 4 not so much as they upgraded a lot of the rubbish bits. In theory a 2 year old RRS should be pretty reliable but it’s a Land Rover so you can never be too sure.
Immense vehicles though, especially off road but not sure if I’d have another one unless I won the lottery then it’s an RRS SVR all the way lol.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by -DL- » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 am

Best time of year to buy a motor in my opinion. Dealers have just two months to shift out their used stock and ex-demos before another glut of former PCP cars get returned to the dealer in time for the new plate on March 1st.

My last 5 cars have all been ex-demo motors. Absolutely huge saving over the screen price of a new one. Still under warranty, generally come with a service package too. My wife's car, I always get her something around 3 years old with low mileage, and she generally keeps it for another 3 years until we repeat the cycle.

Current car was just over a year old when I got it, and had 1300 miles on the clock. Was like new with the remainder of warranty and remainder of 5 years servicing package.

If you don't mind going a bit older, as in cars 3 years old or more, there are dealers that specialise in ex-Motability cars. With the odd exception, they're very low mileage, and well maintained. Main agents also have ex-Motability cars too.

I'm not noticing too much of an issue with oil burners at the moment - so long as they're Euro 6, no ULEZ charge to be paid, and yes, diesel is more expensive at the pump than unleaded, however, to give what I think would be a very fair comparison - my in-laws get around 35-40MPG mixed driving out of their 1.5 petrol Audi, where as me in my 1.6d am getting well over 50 around town (By that I mean 3.5 miles too and from work every day) and anything between 65-75 on a run, depending on how loaded up my car is. I check the value on Parkers every few months or so, and to be honest, it's still holding its value pretty well. It's the Euro 5's that took a nose dive - and when the ULEZ came in last year, it actually went up in value for a couple of months then started to level off again.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by White Goodman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:41 am

bigcarpchaser wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:29 am
If you’re seriously considering an RRS then get over to the relevant forum and do your research.
Having had both a Disco 3 and a 4 I can vouch for the fact that they’re not cheap to run. The 3 used to cost a bomb, the 4 not so much as they upgraded a lot of the rubbish bits. In theory a 2 year old RRS should be pretty reliable but it’s a Land Rover so you can never be too sure.
Immense vehicles though, especially off road but not sure if I’d have another one unless I won the lottery then it’s an RRS SVR all the way lol.
I drove one of those about 4 months ago.

I've become mates with my bodywork repairer, he has one and let me have a go. Not really much faster than the Jag I had but bearing in mind it was about a ton heavier I'd guess, it's quite impressive.

And yes, I did think, I am ****ing paying for this car. He has something high end and different almost every time I see him.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by White Goodman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:42 am

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 am
Best time of year to buy a motor in my opinion. Dealers have just two months to shift out their used stock and ex-demos before another glut of former PCP cars get returned to the dealer in time for the new plate on March 1st.

My last 5 cars have all been ex-demo motors. Absolutely huge saving over the screen price of a new one. Still under warranty, generally come with a service package too. My wife's car, I always get her something around 3 years old with low mileage, and she generally keeps it for another 3 years until we repeat the cycle.

So best to go to main dealer in your opinion DL?

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by -DL- » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:04 am

White Goodman wrote:
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So best to go to main dealer in your opinion DL?
It's only my opinion, but yes. I never buy from anywhere else. Always a main agent, be it for mine/the family car, or my Mrs little runaround. The reasons being, is that the cars have to be of a certain standard to be manufacturer approved used, such as FSH etc, better scope for discounts, manufacturers warranties, manufacturers servicing packages - and they usually, depending on the size of the main agent of course, also have loads of other vehicles in group stock. So if you see a motor you like, but not keen on the colour or want a bit of extra kit - if it's not on their forecourt, it may be in group stock though. So take one with the same engine out for a test drive at your local dealers, another one 50 miles away has a similar car but in a colour you like and with the kit you want, they whack it on a transporter and bring it to your local one.

I've been bitten in the past buying from non-franchised, and would never buy from one again. Not saying main agents are totally infallible of course, but they have better after sales services that Dave's Cars round the corner if you know what I mean.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by chelmsfordhammer91 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:09 am

I would recommend a newish 2nd hand as suggested.

I bought a Ford focus zetec 1.5tdci with a couple of extra gadgets about a year and a half ago (it was 2 and a half years old with 15k on the clock). As others have said, it felt pretty much new as it had one owner who had looked after it well.

We got it from a dealership for 8.5k, which is slightly cheaper than a 3 year lease for the same car would have cost.

A mechanic mate of mine services/MOTs it and said you can't really go wrong with Ford as any parts are relatively cheap and they are reliable.

We have had no problems with it and it will hopefully last at least another 7-10 years.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by White Goodman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:16 am

Cheers folks. I'm going to head out this weekend to look for something sensible (ish) :thup:

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by ageing hammer » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:05 am

This thread could easily be about finding a new bird :lol:

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by sendô » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 am

Good little runner, bodywork is immaculate but needs constant maintenance, will cost a fortune to run, and despite any amount of hard work is liable to blow up for no reason at any moment...

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Estuary » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:08 am

White Goodman wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:04 pm
Just wanted to ask for posters thoughts on 2nd hand cars.

Recently sent my latest lease back, been carless for about 4 months but want to have a look for something now that the new year is here.

Since I was around 25 , I've always bought new or leased, with the last one being a fair chunk of change per month and I was wondering if it was perhaps a bit better to get something with up to 30k on the clock and buy second hand instead?

Seen what look to be some very good RR Sport examples where it's the top of the range model, about 2/3 years old with 20k on the clock.

The equivalent lease would be about 400/500 per month more.

I'm right in thinking that if it's been looked after, then 20k miles is nothing right?
I've owned RR Sports for years, great cars, hugely enjoyable to drive and very practical if like us you have dogs and horses. But, relatively expensive to run and unforgiving if not serviced regularly.
If you do opt for a used version you must look at an extended warranty as when the big stuff fails, and I have had one years ago that the anti-roll system failed, it will cost the earth to put right and I would have been on the wrong end of a £3k plus bill but for the warranty. Like all cars they have little glitches, sensor light failure being one, but the current models are a vast improvement fuel wise to the gass guzzling V8's that I started with.
20k miles on a RR Sport is nothing at all.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Estuary » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:10 am

-DL- wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 am
Best time of year to buy a motor in my opinion. Dealers have just two months to shift out their used stock and ex-demos before another glut of former PCP cars get returned to the dealer in time for the new plate on March 1st.

My last 5 cars have all been ex-demo motors. Absolutely huge saving over the screen price of a new one. Still under warranty, generally come with a service package too. My wife's car, I always get her something around 3 years old with low mileage, and she generally keeps it for another 3 years until we repeat the cycle.

Current car was just over a year old when I got it, and had 1300 miles on the clock. Was like new with the remainder of warranty and remainder of 5 years servicing package.

If you don't mind going a bit older, as in cars 3 years old or more, there are dealers that specialise in ex-Motability cars. With the odd exception, they're very low mileage, and well maintained. Main agents also have ex-Motability cars too.

I'm not noticing too much of an issue with oil burners at the moment - so long as they're Euro 6, no ULEZ charge to be paid, and yes, diesel is more expensive at the pump than unleaded, however, to give what I think would be a very fair comparison - my in-laws get around 35-40MPG mixed driving out of their 1.5 petrol Audi, where as me in my 1.6d am getting well over 50 around town (By that I mean 3.5 miles too and from work every day) and anything between 65-75 on a run, depending on how loaded up my car is. I check the value on Parkers every few months or so, and to be honest, it's still holding its value pretty well. It's the Euro 5's that took a nose dive - and when the ULEZ came in last year, it actually went up in value for a couple of months then started to level off again.
Yep, best time to buy are car from a main dealer is now, Land Rover will have plenty of 2 year old RR Sports with very low milage that ethyw ill move heaven and earth to shift before the month end.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Hampshire Hammer » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:47 pm

-DL- wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 am
Best time of year to buy a motor in my opinion. Dealers have just two months to shift out their used stock and ex-demos before another glut of former PCP cars get returned to the dealer in time for the new plate on March 1st.

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If you don't mind going a bit older, as in cars 3 years old or more, there are dealers that specialise in ex-Motability cars. With the odd exception, they're very low mileage, and well maintained. Main agents also have ex-Motability cars too.
Have to agree with both these points, also possibly not many people buying at this time so dealers may be struggling to hit quota. We bought my eldest a new car January last year and the dealers were very keen to do a deal.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 am
I'm not noticing too much of an issue with oil burners at the moment - so long as they're Euro 6, no ULEZ charge to be paid, and yes, diesel is more expensive at the pump than unleaded, however, to give what I think would be a very fair comparison <snip>
My commute car is probably older than Whitey is looking for (10 year old Diesel X-type), over 50 mpg on my commute and only drops a little when the wife uses it for short trips. I know that comparing to people at work driving newer petrol cars if they were doing similar mileage to me they would be paying out far more for fuel. Plus so much more comfortable than many cars.

My wife drives a discovery sport, 3 years old with 23k miles when we bought it, I was surprised how cheap they were. My main comment would be that even though it is a diesel she is only getting about 35 mpg and it doesn't improve much when doing a long trip.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by RichieRiv » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:07 pm

Range Rovers have got a horrific rep reliability wise.

I would stick with German, Jap or Korean.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Eggs'n'nuts » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:10 pm

sendô wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:45 am
Good little runner, bodywork is immaculate but needs constant maintenance, will cost a fortune to run, and despite any amount of hard work is liable to blow up for no reason at any moment...
Are the airbags and rear end still up to standard sendô?

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by sendô » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:15 pm

The rear end is still holding up despite being smashed in a few times, but the airbags have been overdeployed and now do not fully inflate.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by White Goodman » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:31 pm

RichieRiv wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:07 pm
Range Rovers have got a horrific rep reliability wise.

I would stick with German, Jap or Korean.
Still ? Or historically.

I've had a couple of cars from JLR now , admittedly both Jags but both reliable, no problems =

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Eggs'n'nuts » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:58 pm

sendô wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:15 pm
The rear end is still holding up despite being smashed in a few times, but the airbags have been overdeployed and now do not fully inflate.
That's a shame. You do know you can get the airbags re-set these days. With the right mechanic they can look as good as new apparently.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Estuary » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:11 pm

RichieRiv wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:07 pm
Range Rovers have got a horrific rep reliability wise.

I would stick with German, Jap or Korean.
My 1st RRS had issues as outlined in my earlier post, but the last two have been completely trouble free ( 2012 and 2017 models). The current model is a completely different vehicle from the earlier boxier shape types.

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Rocketron » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:15 pm

Eggs'n'nuts wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:58 pm
That's a shame. You do know you can get the airbags re-set these days. With the right mechanic they can look as good as new apparently.
Is it just me that sees these posts as responses to the suggestion that the thread could be about ageinghammers post?

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Re: 2nd Hand Car Considerations

Post by Rocketron » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:16 pm

sendô wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:15 pm
The rear end is still holding up despite being smashed in a few times, but the airbags have been overdeployed and now do not fully inflate.
See above

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