Sunderland 0 West Ham Utd 1 (23/11/08)

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Sunderland 0 West Ham Utd 1 (23/11/08)

Post by bubbles1966 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:09 pm

4-4-2 please Fonzie. No more of this 4-3-3 crap.

Green: Neill - Collins - Upson - Ilunga: Behrami - Collison - Parker - Etherington: Cole - Bellamy:

Subs: Lastuvka - Faubert - Davenport - Mullins - Sears - Boa Morte - Reid

Not sure about the midfield - could easily go for Faubert and Boa Morte to give us plenty of oomph in the challenge.....

Result:
Entirely down to Fonzie's judgement. Its winnable and loseable on the basis of tactics.....he gets 10k a week so I dont see why I should predict it for nothing...

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Post by Tel The Hammer » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:10 pm

How about Faubert on the left?. :think:

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Post by iloveyoudailly » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:13 pm

I personally would love to see Behrami in the centre. I think he plays his best football there, he's not really a wide player. That'd mean dropping Parker as Collison is in form at the moment, so next Sunday, I'd go with the same team as today, apart from the afore-mentioned change. Agree with you on the 4-4-2 though, we just haven't got the players to play 4-4-3. Aside from that, we played much much better in the second half today when Zola took Sears off and brought Ethers on, despite the fact that Matty was pretty useless. I'd put Bellars in the hole and Cole in front of him.

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Post by bubbles1966 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:18 pm

Tel The Hammer wrote:How about Faubert on the left?. :think:
I'm getting to the point that I think Reid should get some time. He looked like he'd stepped up a notch or two in pre and early season...

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Post by hornsey » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:22 pm

can we see Tristan please.

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Post by WH_RM » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:24 pm

hornsey wrote:can we see Tristan please.
no.

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Post by Tel The Hammer » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:28 pm

bubbles1966 wrote: I'm getting to the point that I think Reid should get some time. He looked like he'd stepped up a notch or two in pre and early season...
Reid's nowhere near prem standard. We should of got shot of him years ago IMO.

I still have faith in Faubert, not much faith at RB, but as a winger I still believe he could prove to be quite handy for us.

I'd have Boa Morta in against Sunerland over Ethers, as he was just simply appalling today. I felt LBM did ok against Everton too.

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Post by bubbles1966 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:34 pm

Tel The Hammer wrote:
Reid's nowhere near prem standard. We should of got shot of him years ago IMO.

I still have faith in Faubert, not much faith at RB, but as a winger I still believe he could prove to be quite handy for us.

I'd have Boa Morta in against Sunerland over Ethers, as he was just simply appalling today. I felt LBM did ok against Everton too.
Agree largely. Just felt that Reid did well against Villareal, and was good in the Carling against admittedly poor opposition.

Etherington stank the place out today....while LBM hasn't been at all bad the last two games....might be much better against Malbranque and Chimbonda...

Faubert is fine by me....he just needs to play right wing...not right back.......

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Post by neil_d » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:35 pm

It's my birhday on that day and I'll be heading over there with my mate (Wednesday fan - honourary hammer for the day) so I'm hoping for a great pressie.... :D

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Post by smuts » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:41 pm

hornsey wrote:can we see Tristan please.
You'll be lucky....as he hasn't been near the first team since we signed him....I think that tells it's own story. :?

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Post by Bobby Orangeboom » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:36 am

Big, big Game this one..

Can't lose & i don't reckon we will...

Not sure if we'll win it though so i'll go for another 0-0 but i'd love us to sneak a winner..

VIDIPRINTER

GOAL Sunderland......0-1........West Ham ( Ferdinand OG 90 Mins )

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Post by davids cross » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:18 am

Dear Franco, all be it for me to give a great player like yourself a wee bit of advice, but I will anyway :wink:

STOP trying to get the players to fit the system, pick the system that best suits the players.

Two of our biggest goal threats are wasted in a 443, Bellamy and Sears are just not suited to it. Both are best playing up top on the shoulders of players, Sears in particular is ruined by it. And Collison looked half the player he was last week (v Everton) without the freedom of a system he knew and understood.......My team for Sunderland.

.......................................................Green...........................................


Neill...........................Upson.............................Ginge.............................Illunga


Faubert/Behrami..............Collison....................Parker............................Boa


................................... Cole.....................Bellamy

If it had been a home game I would have replaced Cole with Sears but away from home we will need a hold up merchant, so Cole for his physical attributes gets the nod.

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Post by Geordie Hammer » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:07 pm

Well, this is the fixture I look forward to each season. It's my tyne/wear derby. Normally I'm straight in there getting a ticket but due to a (very) expensive house move that never happened I couldn't afford the ticket for the short journey down to Scumerland.

Luckily my gaurdian angel was watching over me last week and I've managed to blag 2 tickets in a box (with strict instructions - no colours, no cheering when west ham score and please do not join in when your lot start sing "dirty northern b*stard" - hmmmm....can't promise anything.)

Would prefer to be in the away end instead of being behind enemy lines but at least I'm there. I'm really hoping that we'll play a 4-4-2 and dig out a win (as long as we play better than we did last season at SOL). Couldn't face going to work the next day in scumderland if we lost.

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Post by EssexIron » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:16 pm

iloveyoudailly wrote:I personally would love to see Behrami in the centre. I think he plays his best football there, he's not really a wide player. That'd mean dropping Parker as Collison is in form at the moment, so next Sunday, I'd go with the same team as today, apart from the afore-mentioned change. Agree with you on the 4-4-2 though, we just haven't got the players to play 4-4-3. Aside from that, we played much much better in the second half today when Zola took Sears off and brought Ethers on, despite the fact that Matty was pretty useless. I'd put Bellars in the hole and Cole in front of him.

4-4-3, would we get away with that?

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Post by Scrambled Egg » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:19 pm

Green

Neill(c) Collins Upson Ilunga

Stanislas Collison Mullins Reid

Sears Cole

SUBS: Lastuvka Tomkins Lopez Behrami LBM Bellamy Tristan

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Post by whuirons18 » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:29 pm

Geordie Hammer wrote:Well, this is the fixture I look forward to each season. It's my tyne/wear derby. Normally I'm straight in there getting a ticket but due to a (very) expensive house move that never happened I couldn't afford the ticket for the short journey down to Scumerland.

Luckily my gaurdian angel was watching over me last week and I've managed to blag 2 tickets in a box (with strict instructions - no colours, no cheering when west ham score and please do not join in when your lot start sing "dirty northern b*stard" - hmmmm....can't promise anything.)

Would prefer to be in the away end instead of being behind enemy lines but at least I'm there. I'm really hoping that we'll play a 4-4-2 and dig out a win (as long as we play better than we did last season at SOL). Couldn't face going to work the next day in scumderland if we lost.

coming from a fellow geordie i couldnt agree more. i hate losing against the mackems! such a shame it seems to happen quite a lot!! I never hear the end of it what with all my mates being newcastle fans...

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Post by 'stone hammer » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:29 pm

I reckon we'll win, hopefully playing 4-4-2 as others have stated; we clearly do not play well in the system based on the results we've achieved. I doubt we'll keep a clean sheet though, Sunderland have some fairly decent attacking players, just hopefully we'll score more than they do :D :crest:

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Post by best tever » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:32 pm

'stone hammer wrote:I reckon we'll win, hopefully playing 4-4-2 as others have stated; we clearly do not play well in the system based on the results we've achieved. I doubt we'll keep a clean sheet though, Sunderland have some fairly decent attacking players, just hopefully we'll score more than they do :D :crest:
Yeah im hoping for a change in formation , the main problem is that bellers is our best attacking option and he is playing out of position.
If we keep 4-3-3 we will draw
If we change to 4-4-2 we will win 2-0 with bellers getting both.

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Post by I am law » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:47 pm

Just do what we did at the Riverside.

Collison is the one shining light for me, so I'd personally put him central with Parker. Sunderland are strong in other areas of the pitch, but I am not sure that Andy Reid is better than my selections.

Behrami and LBM right and left. Two people prepared to track back are essential and they both are.

Cole with Bellamy. Don't think Linda played in their recent match and they may still be missing Gordon. We're hardly able to mock, but Sunderland rarely keep a clean sheet.

No change back 5. Ginge vs Jones is a fairly heavy-weight encounter. Cisse is quick. Green needs to have another good game I reckon.

Planned changes would involve Mullins at some stage and Sears.

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Post by Geordie Hammer » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:57 pm

Sunderlands main threat (as widely reported up here in the local press) is Jones and Cisse.

The keeper isn't up to much, Anton isn't going down brilliantly along with the rest of the defence. Linda has come in for a slating over recent weeks. The midfield has had no substance in the past few games.

The main attacking force is the long ball up to Jones. Counter that and we have a chance. I personally think Upson man marking Jones would be the sensible option.

The funny thing is, we were slating Curbs for being too defensive with his 4-5-1 and now we're slating Zola for his 4-3-3. Can we at least go for the compromise of 4-4-2.

Also, just a quick one if hasn't been posted on here already. Special mention for Anton. He did a 24 hours silence last week for Children in Need raising a few grand in the process. In the interviews he did afterwards, he said it was the most difficult thing he has ever done!!

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