Chelsea 1-1 West Ham Utd (08/04/18)

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Mega Ron » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:50 am

Harry Hound wrote: It was a penalty
I thought so too. Arnie just changed the direction of the ball before Kante's boot arrived

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Coops » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:53 am

It was a penalty but I can see why the ref didn't give it.

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Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:12 pm

Coops wrote:It was a penalty but I can see why the ref didn't give it.
:thup:

From the complete opposite view the ref had and slowed down a little you can see that Kante makes contact with Arnie's leg as Arnie reaches the ball first. If that decision somehow gets referred to VAR it's a penalty.

Sky showed the replay pretty much from the refs point of view and it looks like a fantastic tackle.

Annoying but you can't really have any complaints there unless you're some sort of militant that thinks there should be a 4th official checking every decision.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:31 pm

Samba wrote:Blimey, that penalty shout. I thought that Kante, the little b*s*ard, had made a great tackle. On slow reply, he didn't actually touch the ball, but I can see why the ref didn't give it, sadly. Only var could have given that. Possibly.
I disagree - even if Kante had touched the ball he also took the man - it's still a penalty. There's no way Kante could make the tackle from that angle without getting tripping the attacker too.
The ref should have given it. If it turned out Arnie had dived he would have got a three match ban.

Actually, recalling the Lanzini debacle, it's probably just as well that a penalty wasn't awarded else we would probably lose Arnie to such a ban.Defender dives in with a desparate lunge, from the wrong side, doesn't get the ball, gets the man... very familiar.

Here's a question, if Arnautovic had turned his ankle under that challenge and not got the penalty would he be wiser to pull his foot out in future poor challenges (as Lanzini did?)?
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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by westhamgardner » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:34 pm

All in all, a good away day out

Rice doesn't look like a 19 year old, he has a bright future and will be captain if he stays with us. Loved that he was enjoying the away support every time he came up for a corner.

Thought we lost the midfield battle in the first half mainly due to Mario and Fernandes. They lost the ball too often and didnt offer any options when we won the ball in our own half. Though Chica's ability to hold on to it and link up with Arnie/ Nobes and Cheik was what brought us back into the game.

Hart had his best game for us, he looked very solid.

From where I was the Kante challenge didn't look like a penalty, haven't seen a replay though.

Chuffed with the point, think that should be enough to keep us up

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by GaryP » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:39 pm

Coops wrote:It was a penalty but I can see why the ref didn't give it.
No way could he give it. I don't feel aggrieved at all.

To be honest VAR shouldn't be overturning that. It wasn't 'a clear and obvious error'. That was much like an 'umpires call' in cricket as far as I am concerned.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by GaryP » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:42 pm

Monkeybubbles wrote:I'm gonna feel dirty for saying it, but I do quite like Willian. He seemed genuinely concerned about Cresswell's injury, even though it was a total accident.

I really like Willian, got a lot of unfair stick at Chelsea, but not only is he gifted he works his b*llocks off. I wish he was at West Ham,

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by goa127 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:43 pm

Can understand the ref not giving the penalty, although watching on tv I thought it was immeadiatly. I thought he had taken arnie's foot before the ball, but motd replay shows he didn't actually touch the ball at all and it was arnie's foot that moved the ball. Shame it wasn't given but even the eufa extra official behind the goal would have struggled to spot it. VAR probably would but you can stick that!

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by GaryP » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:48 pm

Upton Carp wrote:Can anyone post a link to the highlights, please
Full match

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:57 pm

Upton Carp wrote:...
PMed you.

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Post by Absolutely Hammered! » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:01 pm

Thought overall the Ref had a decent game. Noble could consider himself lucky he stayed on the pitch as his sliding tackle on about 75 mins (cant remember who it was against) looked a bit iffy and could've been shown a 2nd yellow.

Thought Ogbonna had another cracking game and Rice, Well.... lets just say wouldn't be bothered if Reid has to be a sub from now on.

Regarding Fernandez I honestly don't know if he is a good player or not. He confuses me.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Absolutely Hammered! wrote:Noble could consider himself lucky he stayed on the pitch as his sliding tackle on about 75 mins (cant remember who it was against) looked a bit iffy and could've been shown a 2nd yellow.
I think it was Fabregas, and it was probably why the ref didn't award us the penalty moments later - although there were quite a few of unpenalised, desperate and niggly challenges by both sides for the last 20 mins.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Ludo1973 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:23 pm

Rumour on Twitter has it that Conte has left Chelsea.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Harry Hound » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:30 pm

GaryP wrote:
To be honest VAR shouldn't be overturning that. It wasn't 'a clear and obvious error'. That was much like an 'umpires call' in cricket as far as I am concerned.
Interesting that Slav, a manager that had far too many decisions go against him should be in favour of VAR but not the stop, start VAR situation currently trialed.

I think yesterdays decision and the Bournemouth handball goal are the types of situation where video replays would be very helpful and no "interpretation" is necessary". Kante never touched the ball and took Arnie out, clear penalty.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:32 pm

Crossd_Hammrs wrote:Noble could consider himself lucky he stayed on the pitch as his sliding tackle on about 75 mins (cant remember who it was against) looked a bit iffy and could've been shown a 2nd yellow.

I think it was Fabregas, and it was probably why the ref didn't award us the penalty moments later - although there were quite a few of unpenalised, desperate and niggly challenges by both sides for the last 20 mins.
The commentary seemed to suggest the ref had seen it but had let the game play on. I was expecting the yellow/red card to come when the ball went out of play, but thankfully it didn't

I have not seen the incident again, so have no idea if Noble did 'get away with it', or not

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by HammerMan2004 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:39 pm

Ludo1973 wrote:Rumour on Twitter has it that Conte has left Chelsea.
:lol: Does he fancy a new job over at our place in the summer?

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Clacton-ammer » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:58 pm

"Surely Abramovich has Russian contacts that can make sure Cahill and Moses are never seen again?"

From the oppo view, made me :lol:

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Upton Carp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm

Thank you for the links. :)

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Up the Junction » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:19 pm

The opposition view: Chelsea
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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by warp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:23 pm

GaryP wrote:No way could he give it. I don't feel aggrieved at all.

To be honest VAR shouldn't be overturning that. It wasn't 'a clear and obvious error'. That was much like an 'umpires call' in cricket as far as I am concerned.
i'm not too pissed off about the penalty, but if VAR should not overturn that, we might as well bin it. what more do you need? it is a clear and obvious error. one that it is easy to make, but a clear cut error nonetheless.

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