Chelsea 1-1 West Ham Utd (08/04/18)

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by sendô » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:28 pm

The sense of entitlement is strong in them.

It must be horrible watching the reigning champions and current 5th best team in the league week in week out, and only having the chance of an FA Cup win to look forward to.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Patito » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:04 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:
:lol: Does he fancy a new job over at our place in the summer?

Think he's nailed on for the Italian national team job if he leaves.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by warp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:23 pm

dynamite wrote:Also Joe Hart playing like Banks on crack when he's been ***** all season.
:D

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Patito » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:28 pm

Up the Junction wrote:The opposition view: Chelsea
http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=132359

That made for good reading. This quote sums them up really:

"The only saving grace I've got for this season is seeing the Philadelphia 76ers return to the NBA playoffs - sh!ts going to be exciting."
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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:28 pm

GaryP wrote:No way could he give it. I don't feel aggrieved at all.

To be honest VAR shouldn't be overturning that. It wasn't 'a clear and obvious error'. That was much like an 'umpires call' in cricket as far as I am concerned.
warp wrote: i'm not too pissed off about the penalty, but if VAR should not overturn that, we might as well bin it. what more do you need? it is a clear and obvious error. one that it is easy to make, but a clear cut error nonetheless.
It's the wording for VAR that causes the issue. Is it still a "clear and obvious error" if it's impossible for the ref to see?

Maybe VAR needs to also account for situations where the referee/linesmen are unsighted.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by warp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:34 pm

Danny's Dyer Acting wrote:It's the wording for VAR that causes the issue. Is it still a "clear and obvious error" if it's impossible for the ref to see?
you watch the replay and the defender clearly takes out the attacker's foot.
that is a clear penalty, if it was not given it is a clear error.

if you don't think the replay shows it is a clear and obvious penalty, fair enough, it's another matter.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Iron worker » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:52 pm

A great result against the rent boys in what was always going to be a hard game with the whole Butch Wilkins tribute. Against a squad of players who on paper should have battered us and with the home crowd in an emotional mood making the atmosphere tough. We struggled a lot, but if Arnie had hit that Masuaku cross (which was an incredible cross again) on the volley and took the net out, that would have shut them right up and their fragile confidence in bits. However we were poor, the stray suicidal passes from Fernandes and Masuaku were suicidal. Well we all know how the game panned out, the only point I want to make is, our shape was wrong in the beginning. It wasn't until we went to a 442 with Hernandez coming on that we looked a lot more settled. Also, Masuaku finally taking on Moses after letting him push him around all first half. After that, we were toe to toe with them. A lot of people saying Moyes got it right, I'm not so sure when Zaba and Masuaku were pushed back and every out ball in the air to Arnie was won over and over again and came straight back at us.
This was a bonus, but the game against Stoke is the one we definitely need to get right.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by mattyD » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:58 pm

Felt we were only 'poor' after about 20 minutes when the quality of Hazard, Fabregas, Willian and Kante took its toll. Morita must be crap to not score every week with that lot. They should have kept Batshyuioui.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by mushy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:04 pm

GaryP wrote: To be honest VAR shouldn't be overturning that. It wasn't 'a clear and obvious error'. That was much like an 'umpires call' in cricket as far as I am concerned.
I agree, VAR would be very hard pressed to overturn that decision.
Also, if the referee had no doubts, does it even get referred?
Am not too sure how the exact VAR thing works yet.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by mushy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:10 pm

warp wrote:
you watch the replay and the defender clearly takes out the attacker's foot.
that is a clear penalty, if it was not given it is a clear error.

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One fatal error with this theory.
You assume that the selected replay we saw yesterday is the same one that the referee would see.
As far as I can work out, it dont work that way.
They also watch the replays in realtime, not in slow motion.
I defy anyone to see that again in realtime and claim its a clear and obvious error.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Patito » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:13 pm

mattyD wrote: Morita must be crap to not score every week with that lot. They should have kept Batshyuioui.

Evening, hammerman.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:16 pm

Danny's Dyer Acting wrote:It's the wording for VAR that causes the issue. Is it still a "clear and obvious error" if it's impossible for the ref to see?
warp wrote:you watch the replay and the defender clearly takes out the attacker's foot.
that is a clear penalty, if it was not given it is a clear error.

if you don't think the replay shows it is a clear and obvious penalty, fair enough, it's another matter.
It's clear from in front of the players, a few feet away and slowed down a touch. I agree. The ref saw it at full speed, from behind and 15-20 yards away.

My point is that VAR doesn't seem to make an allowances for all those differences between what can be seen and the refs view.

(Who said stuff like VAR would ruin debate after the game? :lol: )

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by S-H » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:17 pm

They summarised it well on MOTD2 last night, Arnie touched the ball away at the exact moment Kante moved his foot across, so from the refs point of view it looked like Kante won the ball.

Conclusion: impossible to to give*




















*Unless it had been in our penalty area.. :)

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by warp » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:24 pm

mushy wrote:As far as I can work out, it dont work that way.
They also watch the replays in realtime, not in slow motion.
then what's the ****ing point?!? Image

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Samba » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:56 pm

Kante did not touch the ball. It also looked like he then tripped Arnie. In that sense, we should have had a penalty. However, there is no way that the Ref or a Lino could have seen those fine details, in real time.
I am not too upset that we didn't get a penalty BUT, if we were further down in the s**t & REALLY had needed those 2 extra points, I may not now be feeling quite so understanding..

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:03 pm

Hart and Arnie in Crooks team of the week

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by clawhammer » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:50 pm

[quote="somerset-hammer”


*Unless it had been in our penalty area.. :)[/quote]
Not always necessary to be in our penalty area.....a yard outside has been good enough in the past! Headbanger

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by pharaoh » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:54 pm

Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote:Hart and Arnie in Crooks team of the week
Nice one…watched Final Score the other week v Southampton. Crooks actually cheered and punched the air when we scored our first…then put Jason Mohamed in his place when he kept going on about our "hooligan fans" v Burnley.

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by pharaoh » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:06 pm

Sorry…wrong thread

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Re: Chelsea v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Samba » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:06 am

Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote:Hart and Arnie in Crooks team of the week
Have to say, Hart played like a world class keeper.

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