West Ham Utd 0-2 Everton (30/03/19)

[Puff Daddy]

'The Suns' player ratings.

Fabianski - 7
Zabaleta - 6
Diop -6
Ogbonna - 7
Cresswell -6
Snodgrass -6
Rice - 6
Obiang - 6 (Antonio-6)
Lanzini - 5
Arnautovic - 6 (Diangana-6)
Perez -5 (Hernandez -6)

6's and 7's would indicate effort wouldn't they?

[Absolutely Hammered!]

Im bored of watching the opposition always run around cresswell. Gets targeted so much.

[Kialos]

They indicate someone with a serious drink problem Puff

To save the author's blushes the player ratings are not done by the journalist who writes to match report

[Morocco Mole]

The main problem with pellegrini is his decision tp play 4-4-4-2. It never ever works

Whoever the midfield two are get completely over run. Obiang and Rice had no chance. They were left hung out to dry

Our full backs are nowhere near good enough for a midfield two

If he wanted to play those players it should have been Snodgrass in a proper midfield three

Yup. And it’s so blindingly obvious you’ve got to question the bloke.

Klopp will play a midfield three of Wijnaldum, Henderson and Fabinho later today. As he does every week. And that’s with a world class back four.

Pellegrini’s tactics are admirable but past their sell by date....

[steps]

Remember when we played a front three of Anderson - Arnautovic - Yarmolenko?

F**k it seems so long ago now.

[BondsoBob]

The worrying and puzzling aspect is that no matter who's the manager, there always seems to be a lack of effort and desire, and fitness at West Ham.
Just what is the problem?

[Hammer.CA]

The worrying and puzzling aspect is that no matter who's the manager, there always seems to be a lack of effort and desire, and fitness at West Ham.
Just what is the problem?

Generally speaking too many players who aren't good enough.

[Al Fisti]

Remember when we played a front three of Anderson - Arnautovic - Yarmolenko?

We still should play them next season, Lanzini behind

[Wilko1304]

'The Suns' player ratings.

Fabianski - 7
Zabaleta - 6
Diop -6
Ogbonna - 7
Cresswell -6
Snodgrass -6
Rice - 6
Obiang - 6 (Antonio-6)
Lanzini - 5
Arnautovic - 6 (Diangana-6)
Perez -5 (Hernandez -6)

6's and 7's would indicate effort wouldn't they?

My own for the match report I did were:

Lukasz Fabianski 7/10
Pablo Zabaleta 5/10
Issa Diop 5/10
Angelo Ogbonna 7/10
Aaron Cresswell 5/10
Robert Snodgrass 5/10
Declan Rice 7/10
Pedro Obiang 5/10
Manuel Lanzini 5/10
Marko Arnautovic 5/10
Lucas Perez 3/10
Substitutes:

Michail Antonio (Obiang) 4/10
Javier Hernandez (Perez) 5/10
Grady Diangana (Arnautovic) 5/10

And looking at that, I was a little kind to some and probably harsh on Antonio.

[Absolutely Hammered!]

That really is the simple answer and the main reason why we aren't constant at all. A large selection of our players arent good enough at this level. The likes of cress, Antonio, snodgrass, obiang etc dont have the physical and technical ability in order for us to be a consistant side. Theres a reason why spurs dont have these types of players and is the reason why they are fairly constant week in week out.

[BondsoBob]

That really is the simple answer and the main reason why we aren't constant at all. A large selection of our players arent good enough at this level. The likes of cress, Antonio, snodgrass, obiang etc dont have the physical and technical ability in order for us to be a consistant side. Theres a reason why spurs dont have these types of players and is the reason why they are fairly constant week in week out.

Yes, I agree with all the above. But does it really explain the lack of desire and effort, and crap attitude of some of them ?

[il_martello_di_genovesi]

Remember when we played a front three of Anderson - Arnautovic - Yarmolenko?

F**k it seems so long ago now.

Indeed. Yesterday 2 were injured and one is out of form. Not to mention Obiang was a poor replacement for Noble. I’m sure Pellegrini would’ve been more than happy to start the same front 3 if he had those to choose from.

We also need Balbuena back.

[HammerAl]

Im bored of watching the opposition always run around cresswell. Gets targeted so much.

He’s targeted by the opposition every game, in the air or in behind. Saying that, both of our fullbacks are. I’d love to see us go out and buy two really good, athletic fullbacks in the summer. But the likelihood of that happening...

[Crouchend_Hammer]

There is no point playing Cresswell at all. He is as bad at defending as Masuaku. Their second goal was absolutely woeful.
At least with Arthur we looked better going forward.

[Colours never run]

Im bored of watching the opposition always run around cresswell. Gets targeted so much.

It goes beyond just Cresswell being targetted. It's the entire left hand side of the pitch defensively that constantly gets exposed. Ever since Balbuena got injured and Diop had to shift across from his preferred established position, we have never looked convincing defensively as a unit. We suffered the same fate time and again when Reid was asked to shift just so we could accommodate one unconvincing player. Ogbonna finally needs moving on this summer if we are to ever shore up a leaky defence ever since he's been here. It's of no coincidence regardless of who he plays with, we always look like conceding and it doesn't matter who's in goal.

[Colours never run]

There is no point playing Cresswell at all. He is as bad at defending as Masuaku. Their second goal was absolutely woeful.
At least with Arthur we looked better going forward.

Thats a myth. Cresswell pisses all over Masuaku going forward, the assists alone tell us that. He's one of the best more reliable deliverers of a football in the team.

[Absolutely Hammered!]

I cant explain the lack of effort but if im being honest creswell for example got beaten on 5/6 occasions yesterday with one leading to their 2nd goal. That wasnt down to a lack of effort, he just has a top speed of 12mph. Same as big mike and diangana, they tried i thought but got disposessed more times than i coukd count. There was a lack of effort but i think overall ability is the main issue.

[Crouchend_Hammer]

Thats a myth. Cresswell pisses all over Masuaku going forward, the assists alone tell us that. He's one of the best more reliable deliverers of a football in the team.

All the assists tell us is that he can cross a ball when he has a bit of time and space. He is next to useless at helping attack as a team and get the ball from back to front. He can't carry the ball forward, has a poor touch and is unable to move infield and join up with the midfield and one touch passing.
He gets the ball, takes a touch and then almost always turns backwards.
The trouble is Zabaleta has the same problem the other side but least he still has some defensive ability

[brothernero]

'The Suns' player ratings.

Fabianski - 7
Zabaleta - 6
Diop -6
Ogbonna - 7
Cresswell -6
Snodgrass -6
Rice - 6
Obiang - 6 (Antonio-6)
Lanzini - 5
Arnautovic - 6 (Diangana-6)
Perez -5 (Hernandez -6)

6's and 7's would indicate effort wouldn't they?

Perhaps they are meant to all be minus scores. (Which would be fair aside from Fab & Rice.

[Colours never run]

Fabianski and Rice were the only good things to come out of yesterday's shocking performance in keeping with their consistent seasons. Everyone else truly were god awful.