Watford 1-4 West Ham Utd (12/05/19)

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Re: ⚽ Watford v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Marky » Mon May 13, 2019 2:18 pm

The West Ham steward thought the concourse was dangerous yesterday. I must admit I wouldn’t take one of my kids to Watford or Palace Away next season due to the 1970s facilities. Disgrace they don’t spend money on their Away facilities/infrastructure.

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Post by old fart » Mon May 13, 2019 2:44 pm

goa127 wrote: Think the precedent was set many years ago when Billy Bonds was not suspended for the cup final despite getting sent off for swapping punches with Colin Todd.
Didn't Mullins and Alonso miss the cup final for a silly spat?

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Post by w4hammer » Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 pm

yes- a handags square up in the league match at UP

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Post by sendô » Mon May 13, 2019 4:33 pm

mushy wrote: Well as an ex rugby player (not any decent standard) , yes I have had people pull me back, and if you watch rugby matches it happens all the time without every player collapsing onto the deck.
I did think that the most likely cause of him falling was a clipping of the ankles but havent seen that on the replays.
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In fact have watched it from every angle, the best angle is the one shot from behind the goal we are attacking. I still cannot see any natural reason that Antonio went down, his legs just appear to go from beneath him, I cant see how a push/pull could have caused him to do that.
http://hlfc.veuclips.com/player/html/dH ... autoplay=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From 4 minutes onwards
I'm not sure the two sports are quite the same, as someone running playing rugby has the ball in hand and arms up, and is positioned expecting a tug on the shoulder or waist etc, whereas a footballer is concentrating more on kicking the ball.

Personally I didn't think Antonio dived, he was pulled off balance and fell over.

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Post by NedN » Mon May 13, 2019 4:39 pm

Don’t know if anyone else has mentioned it, but the pitch seemed pretty slick. Antonio falling for the red could have been a combination of the tug (at that blistering pace he was running at), as well as the slick pitch (lots were losing their footing). Don’t think he dove

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Post by chuffster » Mon May 13, 2019 4:51 pm

Red card overturned.

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Post by GaryP » Mon May 13, 2019 5:13 pm

Pleased for Holebas car has been overturned. He really doesn't deserve to miss a cup final for that. It was not a deliberate foul.

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Post by GaryP » Mon May 13, 2019 5:15 pm

Upton Carp wrote:Anybody got a link to a replay of the full match, please?
Its not up the usual site yet but will post alink when it is.

Just keep an eye out here

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Post by Hammers1man » Mon May 13, 2019 5:28 pm

GaryP wrote:Pleased for Holebas car has been overturned. He really doesn't deserve to miss a cup final for that. It was not a deliberate foul.
Car overturned? Poor guy is having a bad week. :wink:

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Post by carnage » Mon May 13, 2019 6:59 pm

Paolopaul wrote:We’ve finished 14 points off 6th place in the end, which has to be the optimistic target for the mid table teams next year.

With shrewd transfers and effective overall management of the club, we could look to close that gap...
The trouble is, 6th are Manchester United who will spend in excess of 200 million in the summer.

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Post by OFT » Mon May 13, 2019 8:05 pm

carnage wrote:
The trouble is, 6th are Manchester United who will spend in excess of 200 million in the summer.
After the recent run they won't let OGS loose with £200m will they? They may try and tempt Pochettino with a spending spree.

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Post by mushy » Mon May 13, 2019 9:40 pm

NedN wrote:Don’t know if anyone else has mentioned it, but the pitch seemed pretty slick. Antonio falling for the red could have been a combination of the tug (at that blistering pace he was running at), as well as the slick pitch (lots were losing their footing). Don’t think he dove
They soaked it at half time.

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Post by Samba » Mon May 13, 2019 9:50 pm

chigwells finest wrote:we did have a game at sunderland after the cup final though ? which i think he played in too
goa127 wrote:Yeah, I think he was let off with a caution because of his previous good record! It was a long time ago so I'm not sure, but it was the most outrageous bit of rule-bending ever (thankfully)
Some have said that Sir Ron of Greenwood, being England manager at the time, may have 'called in a favour', upstairs..
Mullins in '06 was not as lucky..and who knows, we might have won it with him playing.. :x
Holebas is a lucky boy. At 34 he probably won't get to another final again.

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Re: ⚽ Watford v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by The Old Man of Storr » Mon May 13, 2019 10:00 pm

The Premier League has become a pathetic place for diving and falling over at the merest touch of the shoulder but a precedent has been set so if David Silva is through on goal and Zabaleta or whoever touches him on the shoulder he goes down EVERY time - Antonio did the correct thing in my book , those are the rules now - I don't like it , you don't like , no one has to like it but that's the rule .

Solution -

Do NOT touch the player running in front of you on the shoulder .

Simple As .

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Post by bowltorious » Tue May 14, 2019 12:18 am

Thats a disgrace that got overturned, setting a bad precedent. Not that I want him banned it's just they've made an exception for one player. Been loads of times where someone has picked up a shitty yellow and missed domestic, champions league and world cup finals because of it. Why change the rule for one person? Especially when it was a red. On a side note how did Monreal not get banned for his dive against Brighton? The FA and Premier League is a joke.

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Post by Faithless » Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 am

I think the precedent should be that unless the red card is for violence or unsporting behaviour a player shouldn't miss a final because of it. If he'd brought him down almost 1ft later it'd have been a penalty and a yellow card only.

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Re: ⚽ Watford v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Clacton-ammer » Tue May 14, 2019 8:46 am

I get the precedent argument & you are right but I still think it's the right decision. To miss an FA cup final for that is extremely harsh.

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Post by woodford » Tue May 14, 2019 8:46 am

bowltorious wrote:On a side note how did Monreal not get banned for his dive against Brighton? The FA and Premier League is a joke.
More to the point , how does this professional feel knowing he dives around and screams like a 10 year old girl at a One Direction gig. I heard his yelp from the upper West Side in their last game at Upton Park.

Special mention to Phil "Quasi" Jones for that technique as well

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Re: ⚽ Watford v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Sloop John B » Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 am

Can't see why this has been overturned... It was a foul all day long and he was the last man...Harsh to miss a final for something so innocuous but they are the rules... would they have overturned it had it been mid-season...I don't think so.

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Re: ⚽ Watford v West Ham United: Match Thread

Post by Row X » Tue May 14, 2019 11:21 am

Sloop John B wrote:Can't see why this has been overturned... It was a foul all day long and he was the last man...Harsh to miss a final for something so innocuous but they are the rules... would they have overturned it had it been mid-season...I don't think so.
This all day long.

They are professional footballers, they know the rules.

You are losing, you are one week away from a cup final, you are already safe in the league, you are chasing an opposing player through on your goal.... I'm letting him go through and not touching him all day long, and backing my keeper to get me out of a hole... if he scores, so what, I'm still playing in the cup final next week.

The red should have been upheld, it's the f'ing rules of the game and the players, coaches, fans, commentators, football writers, everyone's nan and their dogs all know the rules.

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