Manchester City confirm that Leroy Sane suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury in his right knee.
The winger picked up the injury in the Community Shield victory over Liverpool at Wembley on Sunday.
He has undergone testing by a specialist doctor and will have surgery this coming week.
got twatted with a bit of a rash tackle iirc....
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
They'll cope with their squad but he is a big player for them that I'm glad is an option they cannot call upon.
It'll just be 1-3, instead of 1-4 instead.
It'll just be 1-3, instead of 1-4 instead.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
just need a good lasagne to take another 8 out of their team !
I hope we all get behind the team even if we do go behind and lose. lets show them what support is and hope our lot respond on the pitch.
I hope we all get behind the team even if we do go behind and lose. lets show them what support is and hope our lot respond on the pitch.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
They're not unbeatable.
Haller will worry them, Fornals, Lanzini, Anderson and Wilshere are a threat.
We need to survive the early scares and break on them.
Haller will worry them, Fornals, Lanzini, Anderson and Wilshere are a threat.
We need to survive the early scares and break on them.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
What's weird, is we've got a half decent result and performances at their place but struggle more at home, which you'd think would be the other way around if anything. Even under attack minded Pellegrini, he proved he could get us defending well against them away from home. Just need to find that happy balance somehow and not be too kamikaze about going for it. Earn our way into attacking them without being reckless is what I'm hoping for, then the result should take care of itself, or at worst make it very competitive.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
For those of you worried about VAR...I’ve seen the set-up and I really don’t think you will need to worry about it as much as you think. It’s use will be a significant step-up from any VAR system I’ve seen before amd crucially it will only be sparingly used. ‘Minimum use for maximum benefit’.
I was going to explain all and they I saw someone had written this which sums it all up very well. Apologies if this should be in the VAR thread but as so many people have mentioned it in this...
It could be a Richarlison offside, a Lewis Dunk foul in the box or a Ben Mee handball on the line. It’s unlikely any of these three hypothetical incidents will occur on Saturday but, if they do, there is a new dimension to factor into Premier League officiating. It’s called VAR (the video assistant referee). Heard of it?
Welcome to Stockley Park, London, home to IMG’s swanky studios, and the building where the Premier League’s VAR hub is entombed. Inside there are monitors galore, with seven VAR stations positioned in a circle. They could all be in operation at the same time on a Saturday afternoon.
Much of the focus has been on the referees — how they will deal with the emotional stress of having their decision overturned and whether their authority will be undermined — but take a seat in one of the VAR chairs and it’s difficult not to empathise with the pressure the officials will be under from tens of thousands of fans and millions at home awaiting their judgement.
There will be two officials at each station, and one extra if there are more than 12 camera angles in use, under IFAB laws. Three “hub commanders” — including former Premier League referees Neil Swarbrick and Mike Malarkey — will patrol the centre of the room in case they need to be consulted. However, their interest will already have been piqued as the monitor will light up red to denote that the officials in a certain match are watching footage on delay.
They have been training for two and a half years ahead of this weekend’s launch. It has included 69 Carabao and FA Cup games, nine England academy events at St George’s Park and 15 simulated Premier League games. They know the parameters and protocols inside out — some have even officiated in the Champions League — but there are a whole load of stages to go through before the words “check complete” are uttered.
It takes an hour to calibrate the cameras before kick-off. Camera operators are dispatched to every stadium to ‘map’ the dimensions of the pitch from a multitude of angles, thus generating a model for each pitch, which is then loaded into the VAR monitor on matchday.
The Premier League has decided that all broadcast cameras in the stadium will be available to VAR officials, but the biggest development is that “crosshair” technology will ensure offside decisions are indisputable, even if there is no perfect angle.
Cast your mind back to the first leg of Tottenham’s Carabao Cup semi-final against Chelsea. Harry Kane scored a penalty after he was deemed marginally onside in the build-up, but there was no definitive camera angle. If a player is leaning, like Kane was in January, a 3D line will be drawn down from the most advanced part of the body to judge their precise location. No need for a camera running parallel to play.
It is an intricate job, especially when fans cannot see what is being assessed, but there have been no targets set for the time a decision should take. The priority is getting the call right, says Swarbrick, the head of VAR implementation.
“The more experience our match officials get, the quicker they will be in operating the technology,” Swarbrick says. “It can look quite intricate, but it’s important to get it right. The experience of using the crosshairs in the Champions League knockout match suggests that it can add about 10 seconds to the process. Obviously, if there are a series of offsides in one incident it may take slightly longer.”
The Referee Review Area (RRA) — also known as the box next to pitch — will be used sparingly, as it was established that the time taken to visit the sideline booth and return to play averaged 90 seconds. A player will be booked if they enter the zone, but there has even been a case in Europe where a player has stolen the referee’s earpiece to deny him the chance to consult the video officials.
After analysing how VAR has been implemented in competitions such as the Champions League, Copa America and the Women’s World Cup, the Premier League’s “minimum interference” guidelines mean officials will only watch an incident back three times at full speed. That will be used to establish intensity before close-ups are used to gauge intent, with the aim to avoid challenges being made to look worse than they are.
The in-stadium screens will display a graphic informing the fans what decision is under review. If a decision has been overturned the definitive replay will be shown to fans. Moving to a system where fans can watch and listen to what VAR officials are doing — like in cricket and rugby — is something that could happen down the line. At the moment, commentators will only be able to quote what the officials have said.
Referees have been instructed to officiate without any hesitancy, even though there is the question of whether having a decision overruled will affect their performance throughout the remainder of the game. However, they acknowledge that subjectivity will remain and that it is about “marrying up” the referee’s interpretation of events with what is seen in the VAR suite.
That means there could be two identical fouls which end up with different outcomes, as they are setting a “high” threshold when it comes to overturning decisions that remain subjective. The balance will always be skewed in favour of sticking with the reasoning given by the on-field official.
Arguably the most subjective area of all, and the one likely to cause the most debate this season, is around when an incorrect decision is deemed inconsequential. After consulting every Premier League club, VAR officials decided that only decisions in the immediate phase of play would be reviewed.
Officials reset the attacking phase by pressing the green button on their desk — the red is used to communicate to the referee in what is a one-way channel until that point. That means only incidents occurring after the latest bookmark can be deemed part of the goal.
Naby Keita’s goal against Southampton, when Mohamed Salah was offside in the build-up, would have stood under VAR rules. It was deemed that as Southampton had defended two crosses following the offside, the goal was no longer the same phase of play. Only one Premier League club disagreed with that ruling.
The Premier League will have posters at grounds and will publish VAR explainer videos, but what some fans don’t realise is that every goal is automatically checked. Only if there is a reason to overturn the on-pitch decision will its use be highlighted.
The men’s 2018 World Cup saw a VAR review lead to the referee’s original decision being overturned once every 3.2 games, while the women’s World Cup saw a decision overturned once every 1.9 games. Yet the Premier League want to avoid delaying the games continuously, according to Swarbrick.
“From our testing, we have seen an overturned decision once every five matches,” he explains. “We’re setting a high threshold for VAR intervention, but you can never predict what will happen in a game of football. You could get three or four overturned decisions in a game, or you could get none. We will of course assess our progress through the season, this is an ever-evolving process.”
VAR’s worth is being made clear in cold, hard numbers. Despite an 82% matchday accuracy last season when it came to “big calls” in the Premier League, it was found that if VAR had been in action there would have been 41 offside cases overturned — 31 of which happened when the scores were level or there was a one-goal difference.
Testing has found that the accuracy of referees improves from 84% to 87%, while assistant referee’s accuracy moves from 79% to 95%, with an average check time of 84 seconds.
Evidently, in less than 90 seconds there are a lot of decisions to be made before a conclusion can be reached. Premier League fans will have 380 90-minute games to decide whether this version of VAR, adapted to the pace of English football, is the antidote to human error they’ve been searching for.
I was going to explain all and they I saw someone had written this which sums it all up very well. Apologies if this should be in the VAR thread but as so many people have mentioned it in this...
It could be a Richarlison offside, a Lewis Dunk foul in the box or a Ben Mee handball on the line. It’s unlikely any of these three hypothetical incidents will occur on Saturday but, if they do, there is a new dimension to factor into Premier League officiating. It’s called VAR (the video assistant referee). Heard of it?
Welcome to Stockley Park, London, home to IMG’s swanky studios, and the building where the Premier League’s VAR hub is entombed. Inside there are monitors galore, with seven VAR stations positioned in a circle. They could all be in operation at the same time on a Saturday afternoon.
Much of the focus has been on the referees — how they will deal with the emotional stress of having their decision overturned and whether their authority will be undermined — but take a seat in one of the VAR chairs and it’s difficult not to empathise with the pressure the officials will be under from tens of thousands of fans and millions at home awaiting their judgement.
There will be two officials at each station, and one extra if there are more than 12 camera angles in use, under IFAB laws. Three “hub commanders” — including former Premier League referees Neil Swarbrick and Mike Malarkey — will patrol the centre of the room in case they need to be consulted. However, their interest will already have been piqued as the monitor will light up red to denote that the officials in a certain match are watching footage on delay.
They have been training for two and a half years ahead of this weekend’s launch. It has included 69 Carabao and FA Cup games, nine England academy events at St George’s Park and 15 simulated Premier League games. They know the parameters and protocols inside out — some have even officiated in the Champions League — but there are a whole load of stages to go through before the words “check complete” are uttered.
It takes an hour to calibrate the cameras before kick-off. Camera operators are dispatched to every stadium to ‘map’ the dimensions of the pitch from a multitude of angles, thus generating a model for each pitch, which is then loaded into the VAR monitor on matchday.
The Premier League has decided that all broadcast cameras in the stadium will be available to VAR officials, but the biggest development is that “crosshair” technology will ensure offside decisions are indisputable, even if there is no perfect angle.
Cast your mind back to the first leg of Tottenham’s Carabao Cup semi-final against Chelsea. Harry Kane scored a penalty after he was deemed marginally onside in the build-up, but there was no definitive camera angle. If a player is leaning, like Kane was in January, a 3D line will be drawn down from the most advanced part of the body to judge their precise location. No need for a camera running parallel to play.
It is an intricate job, especially when fans cannot see what is being assessed, but there have been no targets set for the time a decision should take. The priority is getting the call right, says Swarbrick, the head of VAR implementation.
“The more experience our match officials get, the quicker they will be in operating the technology,” Swarbrick says. “It can look quite intricate, but it’s important to get it right. The experience of using the crosshairs in the Champions League knockout match suggests that it can add about 10 seconds to the process. Obviously, if there are a series of offsides in one incident it may take slightly longer.”
The Referee Review Area (RRA) — also known as the box next to pitch — will be used sparingly, as it was established that the time taken to visit the sideline booth and return to play averaged 90 seconds. A player will be booked if they enter the zone, but there has even been a case in Europe where a player has stolen the referee’s earpiece to deny him the chance to consult the video officials.
After analysing how VAR has been implemented in competitions such as the Champions League, Copa America and the Women’s World Cup, the Premier League’s “minimum interference” guidelines mean officials will only watch an incident back three times at full speed. That will be used to establish intensity before close-ups are used to gauge intent, with the aim to avoid challenges being made to look worse than they are.
The in-stadium screens will display a graphic informing the fans what decision is under review. If a decision has been overturned the definitive replay will be shown to fans. Moving to a system where fans can watch and listen to what VAR officials are doing — like in cricket and rugby — is something that could happen down the line. At the moment, commentators will only be able to quote what the officials have said.
Referees have been instructed to officiate without any hesitancy, even though there is the question of whether having a decision overruled will affect their performance throughout the remainder of the game. However, they acknowledge that subjectivity will remain and that it is about “marrying up” the referee’s interpretation of events with what is seen in the VAR suite.
That means there could be two identical fouls which end up with different outcomes, as they are setting a “high” threshold when it comes to overturning decisions that remain subjective. The balance will always be skewed in favour of sticking with the reasoning given by the on-field official.
Arguably the most subjective area of all, and the one likely to cause the most debate this season, is around when an incorrect decision is deemed inconsequential. After consulting every Premier League club, VAR officials decided that only decisions in the immediate phase of play would be reviewed.
Officials reset the attacking phase by pressing the green button on their desk — the red is used to communicate to the referee in what is a one-way channel until that point. That means only incidents occurring after the latest bookmark can be deemed part of the goal.
Naby Keita’s goal against Southampton, when Mohamed Salah was offside in the build-up, would have stood under VAR rules. It was deemed that as Southampton had defended two crosses following the offside, the goal was no longer the same phase of play. Only one Premier League club disagreed with that ruling.
The Premier League will have posters at grounds and will publish VAR explainer videos, but what some fans don’t realise is that every goal is automatically checked. Only if there is a reason to overturn the on-pitch decision will its use be highlighted.
The men’s 2018 World Cup saw a VAR review lead to the referee’s original decision being overturned once every 3.2 games, while the women’s World Cup saw a decision overturned once every 1.9 games. Yet the Premier League want to avoid delaying the games continuously, according to Swarbrick.
“From our testing, we have seen an overturned decision once every five matches,” he explains. “We’re setting a high threshold for VAR intervention, but you can never predict what will happen in a game of football. You could get three or four overturned decisions in a game, or you could get none. We will of course assess our progress through the season, this is an ever-evolving process.”
VAR’s worth is being made clear in cold, hard numbers. Despite an 82% matchday accuracy last season when it came to “big calls” in the Premier League, it was found that if VAR had been in action there would have been 41 offside cases overturned — 31 of which happened when the scores were level or there was a one-goal difference.
Testing has found that the accuracy of referees improves from 84% to 87%, while assistant referee’s accuracy moves from 79% to 95%, with an average check time of 84 seconds.
Evidently, in less than 90 seconds there are a lot of decisions to be made before a conclusion can be reached. Premier League fans will have 380 90-minute games to decide whether this version of VAR, adapted to the pace of English football, is the antidote to human error they’ve been searching for.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
Interesting information, Bishbosh. Will be interesting to see how it is implemented this season. As for the match:
——————Fabianski—————-
Fredericks-Balbuena-Diop-Masuaku
—————Rice—Wilshere————
-Fornals———Lanzini———Anderson-
———————Haller———————
Subs: Roberto, Cresswell, Ogbonna, Yarmo, Antonio, Hernandez, Ajeti
Starting lineup picks itself if fit, bench gets a little tricky. Plenty of attacking options, less so defensive options. Snodgrass, Noble, Sanchez, Reid, Cardoso, Zabaleta, Johnson all fighting for spots on the bench
Heart says 2-2, head says 2-3
——————Fabianski—————-
Fredericks-Balbuena-Diop-Masuaku
—————Rice—Wilshere————
-Fornals———Lanzini———Anderson-
———————Haller———————
Subs: Roberto, Cresswell, Ogbonna, Yarmo, Antonio, Hernandez, Ajeti
Starting lineup picks itself if fit, bench gets a little tricky. Plenty of attacking options, less so defensive options. Snodgrass, Noble, Sanchez, Reid, Cardoso, Zabaleta, Johnson all fighting for spots on the bench
Heart says 2-2, head says 2-3
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
BT showed a rerun of last seasons defeat go man utd and I hope VAR will sort such games out in our favour for once.
we score a good goal ruled out wrongly
they get a penalty awarded incorrectly
Pogba has feet up high and catches snoddy on the head, no red card
VAR will be tested when the decisions are to be made against the big boys. will they do it and level the field for once ?
as for the match. keep it tight and take the chances for a famous win.
Antonio in for lanzini as offers pace power and goal threat. lanzini too lightweight.
masuaka in for vresswell, he had a blinder in the above match.
city will have rodri 60m and the most expensive fullback in the world. laporte a mere 60m signing also set to return for the moneybags.
lets do these !
we score a good goal ruled out wrongly
they get a penalty awarded incorrectly
Pogba has feet up high and catches snoddy on the head, no red card
VAR will be tested when the decisions are to be made against the big boys. will they do it and level the field for once ?
as for the match. keep it tight and take the chances for a famous win.
Antonio in for lanzini as offers pace power and goal threat. lanzini too lightweight.
masuaka in for vresswell, he had a blinder in the above match.
city will have rodri 60m and the most expensive fullback in the world. laporte a mere 60m signing also set to return for the moneybags.
lets do these !
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
Enter English managers to show their worth and cause Premier League surprise
From “ The Guardian”
“ Hammers can make a statement against champions
Manuel Pellegrini: a quietly dignified purveyor of easy-on-the-eye football and unheralded soother of post-relocation turbulence, or a crusty charisma vacuum happy to sit back and collect a late-career paycheck? West Ham: a youthfully promising attacking outfit that could trouble the top six, or a pick-and-mix squad stocked with and managed by journeymen, fated for a late-season dogfight they don’t have the mettle for? A year into Pellegrini’s reign in east London, both questions remain strangely unanswered, though Saturday’s lunchtime kick-off may give us a better idea of what lies ahead. Because while the visit of the champions may be read as a “free hit” for West Ham in terms of the result, the manner of their performance will speak volumes: a meek surrender will confirm the worst fears of an angsty home crowd and remind the world that Pellegrini’s biggest job in England was as a placeholder for Pep Guardiola. A bolshy, in-your-face display, however – maybe even a goal or two – would send a much-needed message that last season’s top-half finish is there to be built on. With a small army of silky playmakers, one of the country’s best young players in Declan Rice and a shiny new £45m goalscorer in Sébastien Haller, Pellegrini has a squad of undoubted talent. He also has plenty of naysayers. Making good use of the former would make fools of the latter. “
From “ The Guardian”
“ Hammers can make a statement against champions
Manuel Pellegrini: a quietly dignified purveyor of easy-on-the-eye football and unheralded soother of post-relocation turbulence, or a crusty charisma vacuum happy to sit back and collect a late-career paycheck? West Ham: a youthfully promising attacking outfit that could trouble the top six, or a pick-and-mix squad stocked with and managed by journeymen, fated for a late-season dogfight they don’t have the mettle for? A year into Pellegrini’s reign in east London, both questions remain strangely unanswered, though Saturday’s lunchtime kick-off may give us a better idea of what lies ahead. Because while the visit of the champions may be read as a “free hit” for West Ham in terms of the result, the manner of their performance will speak volumes: a meek surrender will confirm the worst fears of an angsty home crowd and remind the world that Pellegrini’s biggest job in England was as a placeholder for Pep Guardiola. A bolshy, in-your-face display, however – maybe even a goal or two – would send a much-needed message that last season’s top-half finish is there to be built on. With a small army of silky playmakers, one of the country’s best young players in Declan Rice and a shiny new £45m goalscorer in Sébastien Haller, Pellegrini has a squad of undoubted talent. He also has plenty of naysayers. Making good use of the former would make fools of the latter. “
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
What the f*** is the helmet who wrote that talking about? 
Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
1-0 home win to kick the season off (Fornals)
Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
Weird little snippet that.fjthegrey wrote:What the **** is the helmet who wrote that talking about?
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
5-0 to West Ham.
Haller scores all 5 with 5 assists for Fornals.
Haller scores all 5 with 5 assists for Fornals.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
In games like this id be tempted to start Snodgrass next to Rice and try to get to HT 0-0 and then turn it into a 45 minute game. Throw fornals on to replace snod and give it a right go.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Manchester City: Match Thread (10/8)
I’d be happy with giving them a game and drawing blood. Signs of promise for the season, some good link up play and carry some confidence into the next three games.
Unfortunately if they are really up for it then there is very little chance we’ll win - they could just as easily score 4+ goals as us keep a clean sheet. We lost 4-0 versus Liverpool last year but more than the result we looked all at sea imo - which carried through to the next few games. Performance more important than result for this one.
Think the only decision is left back (assuming no injuries) - suspect Cresswell will start as Masuaku had the short pre-season. Sterling likely to get a load of fantasy football points either way.
Unfortunately if they are really up for it then there is very little chance we’ll win - they could just as easily score 4+ goals as us keep a clean sheet. We lost 4-0 versus Liverpool last year but more than the result we looked all at sea imo - which carried through to the next few games. Performance more important than result for this one.
Think the only decision is left back (assuming no injuries) - suspect Cresswell will start as Masuaku had the short pre-season. Sterling likely to get a load of fantasy football points either way.