West Ham Utd 2-0 Norwich City (31/08/19)

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Turns to Stone » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:22 pm

What we haven't had in years and years is a striker who (intelligently) defends from the front.

Carroll used to like to chase down players and end with a star jump, but he was doing it more for the fans and because he didn't know any other way, Haller, presses, and harries and is good at spotting a deep-lying central midfielder to try and nick a ball off. Something that Arnautovic did once or twice a game when he got bored, but is a huge part of Haller's game. It's what someone like Ian Rush was a master at and it makes things so much easier for the rest of the team, because you a defending from the front.

Yarmolenko and Anderson can both be a little lazy, but Haller will make it easier for them to do it as part of a unit (if you watch Liverpool) their three are masters at it.

Aside from that he looks great. Could easily have had a hat-trick yesterday and I thought we would really miss Arnautovic. Not looking the case right now.

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Up the Junction » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:25 pm

West Ham United 2-0 Norwich City (Chris Wilkerson)
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Colours never run » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:26 pm

e17 wrote:It’s Fredericks turn apparently
It's not so much his turn, he's just not very good. I've willed him on whenever I can, but always see the same frailties in his game. That said, he's not completely useless, he has fleeting moments of quality but amongst it is also a lot of poor play.

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:31 pm

I think it could potentially be good news for us that they are banging on about VAR and a fine tackle. We are going to surprise a few teams at this rate. At times yesterday afternoon we were as good as I’ve seen West Ham play. Anderson was playing with Payet quality. Proper world class. It a few pAssages if play we were fantastic. Great to watch. Also the atmosphere was good. Very very little to complain about yesterday.

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by S-H » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:32 pm

Goals on Sunday producer, is definitely a Norwich fan.

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Post by Colours never run » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:32 pm

EastleighHammer16 wrote:" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at Haller's reaction after Felipe's first nutmeg. :lol:
Payetesque. He was doing similar things at times last season too.

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Post by e17 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:41 pm

Don’t agree Colours. I think he’s another 50/50 lad, very much same as Arthur and in all honesty same as Anderson and Diop quite often, in that they’re either fantastic or they’re terrible for us. There’s not a lot of grey area with them.

Which rubs off on people’s opinions too - go back to that first week of the season, and you’ll spot a fair few proclaiming Fred as too good for us and our only bright spark.

90 minutes of brain farts, and the fella “isn’t very good” - the truth is that under Pel, the backbone of our team seems to be made up of players who will always have weekends that blow hot & cold - which sort of makes it more fun.

FB spots probably have more pressure anyway though, as Cress & Zab are the alternatives

It’s easy to forget that under Lyall, there were actually weekends where the same happened - I can still remember a loudmouth proclaiming that Cottee was a lazy little sod who needed dropping against Arsenal about a fortnight before we smashed Chelsea and he was all over everything

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:57 pm

Aztec Hammer wrote:That was liquid football!
Ironically an expression coined by a Norwich fan :lol:

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Colours never run » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:16 pm

E17

When has Fredericks ever been fantastic? Certainly nowhere near the levels as Anderson who you could honestly say, at times plays fantastic.

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Post by Ozza » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:21 pm

Who’s saying Fredricks needs to be as good as Anderson? One is a 40m signing who’s played at the top level for a while the other is freebie we nicked off Fulham.

Fredricks is improving all the time (imho)

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Post by Colours never run » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:25 pm

No one was. He was suggesting Fredericks can be fantastic, just as Diop and Anderson can be, but also terrible. I've never seen Fredericks play fantastically. That's what we're getting at.

In a game where most players looked really good yesterday, he stood out as one player who still looked shaky. Even recall one moment where Noble bollocked him on the touchline because a move broke down because he wasn't paying attention properly.

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Collison Theory » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:26 pm

Crossd_Hammrs wrote:"That was liquid football!"Ironically an expression coined by a Norwich fan :lol:
That Yarmalenko has a right boot like a piston!

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Up the Junction » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:29 pm

The opposition view: Norwich City
https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=133841

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Up the Junction » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:43 pm

e17 wrote:It’s Fredericks turn apparently
All I've read so far has been constructive criticism, E. I don't think anyone has been unrealistic in their appraisal of his contribution. This sort of comment adds nothing to the debate (although I note you have elucidated since).

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by funky chicken » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:46 pm

Apart from the first 10 minutes I thought we were exceptional. And to be fair for the first 10 minutes I think Norwich deserve some credit as they worked their buttocks off closing us down and putting our players under pressure. So it was arguably more down to them.

But once we settled down and started to up the tempo a little bit more we showed our quality and at times made Norwich look clueless. They couldn't handle Lanzini, Anderson and Haller at all.

And the only negative really was the fact we didn't take more of our chances as we should easily of won at least 4-0. The scoreline completely flattered them. And if it wasn't for Krul having a stormer for them, poor decision making by us in the final third, or poor finishing we would've won by more.

But most of all despite us being a joy to watch from an attacking sense I was just as thrilled we finally managed to get a clean sheet. And excluding 1 cross in the first half and a chance at the end when they clipped the post I thought our centre halves looked pretty comfortable. Although Diop still had some shakey moments in the first half when you feel like he is going to lose the ball.

Anderson my MOTM. Haller a close 2nd. And Masuaku and Lanzini not too far behind.

Even though Lanzini has been playing well this season I really did think this was his best performance since returning from injury. Really back to his best. Just needs to start being brave enough to shoot again. As, like I even pointed out towards the end of last season he seems to have become allergic to shooting since the injury. It's almost like he is avoiding having an effort on goals. We can't afford him to do that when we play against the stronger clubs where chances will not present themselves as much as they would do against the likes of Norwich.

Great to see Yarmolenko get his first goal since returning. I thought the criticism from some were a little harsh in both this game and the Watford game too, which I commented in the Watford thread. Very unlucky not to get a goal before he scored. He's not as quick as Antonio, but is a very intelligent player and very good with the ball at his feet.

The only problem I have with Yarmo is he's a little bit weak at fighting for the ball and I didn't like some of the moments yesterday when he went down too easily. Almost Hernandez-esque. I am not a fan of that and he needs to cut that out as other refs may well give him a yellow card for that.

The players IMO making the difference for us are: Haller, Anderson, Lanzini, Noble (for his leadership & determination), Masuaku, Frdericks and Fabianski (for his reliability). These players are at the moment the difference between us having potentially a great season or at best an average one. It is vital we keep the majority of them fit. Just look at a poor Brighton team that Southampton even managed to beat. We couldn't beat them without Haller and Anderson.

If we especially lose Haller, Anderson and one or both of our fullbacks we will struggle IMO.

Our fullbacks have been the unsung heroes after Haller and Anderson. Yes Fredericks is poor at crossing. But so is Zabaleta. Even at his peak Zabaleta has always been a poor crosser of the ball. His pace still makes a huge difference both attacking and defensive wise. And we would've scored 3 less goals this season if we started Cresswell in the last 3 games instead of Masuaku.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Kialos » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:53 pm

EastleighHammer16 wrote:" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at Haller's reaction after Felipe's first nutmeg. :lol:
After the game I heard a West Ham fan saying Anderson had done eff all other than one good run....

I just looked at him and said I thought he was one of our best players!

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Up the Junction » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:57 pm

Kialos wrote:After the game I heard a West Ham fan saying Anderson had done eff all other than one good run....
Some folk are hard to please...

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Aztec Hammer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:14 pm

Crossd_Hammrs wrote:Ironically an expression coined by a Norwich fan :lol:
Glad someone got it!

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:54 pm

I don't mind Fredericks. He has great enthusiasm and clearly the pace and stamina to get up and down.
However he is a bit limited as a footballer which is why we almost always build up our attacks on the left side as Arthur is a lot better at the attacking side of the game.

Fredericks reminds me a bit of Trent Alexander Arnold but without any of the crossing ability

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Re: ⚽ West Ham United v Norwich City: Match Thread

Post by Graza » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:30 pm

Up the Junction wrote:The opposition view: Norwich City
https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=133841
Quite a realistic assessment really. No mention of their managers ramblings.

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