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Re: Andy Carroll

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prophet:marginal wrote:So, how did he play? Genuinely interested.
He lacks a bit of tempo and intensity, but he's had no pre-season nor practice/reserve games. He's having to work himself to fitness in PL games - he's way below what he should be in that sense.

He did make a difference though - he won plenty in the air, his hold up play was good, link play okay - and got an extremely good reception from the crowd.
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StackerJJ wrote:Did okay but sticks out like a sore thumb and will never fit in Pellegrinis system I don't think.
Were we're 1-0 down when he came on and ran out 3-2 winners. Not saying it was entirely down to him by any stretch of the imagination, but it can't be a coincidence can it?

If that's not fitting in, then I hope he never fits in :)
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and that tackle on Zaha at the end

superb stuff
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If anything he looks even slower than he ever has. But yeah, can’t complain, he’s come on, made a difference, we’ve won the game.

If somehow Pellegrini works his magic and gets something extra from him it’ll be a marvellous bonus.
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Looking at his fitness level today he's good for 15 mins max. Very one paced.
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Kialos wrote:Looking at his fitness level today he's good for 15 mins max. Very one paced.
Yep. As usual Kialos is spot on.

He did alright for us in his cameo today, but nothing that justifies him starting against Fulham
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Oh times have changed now he isnt the talisman striker that we rely on where the entire focus being hoping when he would be fit.

Be really interesting to see how Andy does form wise. I just have a sneaky suspicion that now there isn’t any pressure on him (well maybe as cover) and we don’t really need him, he’s gonna end up having a blinder of a second half of the season.
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AC certainly had a bigger influence in the second half than Perez did in the first half.
Won the free kick in which Hernandez scored from to make it 2-1
His hold up play was impressive, especially considering he is nowhere near fully match fit.
All in all, I think he did well in his 45 minute run out.
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Changed the game for us, I thought he was superb.

I think Hernandez will strive playing off of him
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Re: Andy Carroll

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Hammer in Hornchurch wrote:AC certainly had a bigger influence in the second half than Perez did in the first half.
Won the free kick in which Hernandez scored from to make it 2-1
His hold up play was impressive, especially considering he is nowhere near fully match fit.
All in all, I think he did well in his 45 minute run out.
Agree with all that - there's room enough for Andy Carroll in this squad of ours .
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did well when he came on. offered us a physical presence and occupied Tomkins and sakho much better than perez.

a good sub to have.
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I share the view he doesn't fit our system, I think his lack of pace was the only reason palace were able to apply the small bit of pressure they did at 3-2, for my money with someone mobile we would have nicked a 4th, still a good player for the right set-up we are no longer it
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Definitely can play a role coming off the bench got us and occasionally starting against carefully selected opposition.

He may want to start every week but I think we have stuck by him through a fair few injuries so he will be willing to do what the gaffer asks.
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Hammer in Hornchurch wrote:AC certainly had a bigger influence in the second half than Perez did in the first half.
Won the free kick in which Hernandez scored from to make it 2-1
His hold up play was impressive, especially considering he is nowhere near fully match fit.
All in all, I think he did well in his 45 minute run out.
Agreed

Tomkins couldnt handle him at times despite him looking half fit
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Upminster Hammer wrote:Changed the game for us, I thought he was superb.
That's how I saw it. They had no idea how to handle him.
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Re: Andy Carroll

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I wonder whether Carroll has reached the point where he accepts his body will never be up to 30 starts a season, and would prefer 25-30 games at 25-45 minutes compared to 12-15 games of 60 minutes?

I think having him available for a part of 25-30 games is probably more beneficial to the team and to his availability than a dozen starts.
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BR7 Hammer wrote:I share the view he doesn't fit our system, I think his lack of pace was the only reason palace were able to apply the small bit of pressure they did at 3-2, for my money with someone mobile we would have nicked a 4th, still a good player for the right set-up we are no longer it
Yet we scored 3 goals when he came on and he held the ball up far, far better than Perez.

Personally, I think it's a myth about AC forcing his teams to play a certain way. He offers a diferent outlet certainly, but I think he can be utilised very effectively by those around him without dictating play.
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Re: Andy Carroll

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I think we scored three in the second half simply because the players came back out and played better. As Pellegrini said, they weren't relaxed enough first half and were attempting to play too quick. Carroll did ok but he also looked slow and had difficulty keeping up with play at times.
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bubbles1966 wrote:I think having him available for a part of 25-30 games is about as likely as West Ham winning the Double this season.
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Re: Andy Carroll

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I like Perez and was delighted with his brace midweek however if I'm a centre half and I'm looking at who I'm facing today, I'd much rather face Chicha and Perez than Chicha and Carroll. Even a semi fit Carroll gives us something different and something neither Chicha or Perez can offer.
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