Gold and Sullivan ???

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by last.caress » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:29 am

The confusion is here Jaybs:
jaybs wrote:They saved us which I will always be grateful for
You said this only a couple of days ago, and it's a very different statement to "I thought they'd saved us, but that turned out not to be the case", which appears to be the (far more understandable) position you're taking now. Do you see?

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by GaryP » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:45 am

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Hahahahaha !

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:06 pm

In fairness mostly everyone bought into the vision they peddled.

From memory, there was a Brummy fan who posted on here (bluenose?) who was spot on and had to constantly defend his posts, along with not many others TBH.

I know I was suckered into the bullsh*t.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Hammer.CA » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:04 pm

Just think what the interest that the fan/owners could have invested in, this is from the Leicester paper today.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport ... nd-1719873" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Ozza » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:32 pm

If I remember there was loads of stuff on forums / phone in's etc about Leicesters owners (not good stuff) when they took over, look who's laughing now

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by ammo » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:29 pm

Leicester's owners are 10 times better than ours. There is no comparison. They back their managers, pay a decent amount of money for players, try very hard to not sell their best players, give free season tickets away (on the chairman's b'day, he gave his age away in free season tickets for next season - my other half was a lucky winner - typical), give away numerous freebies all season to fans - ie a free pint or free pie at a game etc etc. Now it looks like they are having a brand new state of the art training ground. What do we get? Jack.

What's even worse is that they didn't know Leicester from Adam when they took over, whereas ours declare themselves as life long West Ham fans. Honestly, Gold and Sullivan should be ashamed. Please please please leave.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:48 pm

Hammer.CA wrote:Just think what the interest that the fan/owners could have invested in, this is from the Leicester paper today.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport ... nd-1719873" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those renders look like something out of teletubby land.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by hxhammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:58 pm

ammo wrote:Leicester's owners are 10 times better than ours. There is no comparison. They back their managers, pay a decent amount of money for players, try very hard to not sell their best players, give free season tickets away (on the chairman's b'day, he gave his age away in free season tickets for next season - my other half was a lucky winner - typical), give away numerous freebies all season to fans - ie a free pint or free pie at a game etc etc. Now it looks like they are having a brand new state of the art training ground. What do we get? Jack.

What's even worse is that they didn't know Leicester from Adam when they took over, whereas ours declare themselves as life long West Ham fans. Honestly, Gold and Sullivan should be ashamed. Please please please leave.
I agree with most of what you say, but their owners should be ****ing shot for introducing them clappy things, the idots all seem to have

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by the pink palermo » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:15 pm

ammo wrote:Leicester's owners are 10 times better than ours. There is no comparison. They back their managers,
I can think of one Italian bloke who may disagree with you.

Indulge their players more like.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by bristolhammerfc » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:19 pm

I think there needs to be a bit of honesty here. I had an inside contact at the club when the Icelandic's took over, through the Dux reign and into the start of the Sullivans reign until just after they approached O'Neil.

When the Icelandic's took over, although we were in an awful position, they treated the employee's right, invested in the club and backed the manager without much interference. There was the occasional punt by Eggy but not without the manager green lighting. They had big plans to move the club on and had the bubble not burst in Iceland, we would have had some very good infrastructure.

Then came the era of Dux. A bloke who was way out of his league, playing fast and lose with the truth whilst being a massive narcissist. He swanned around like lord of the manor and with Nani, thought they could do what they liked. They changed the structure so we had a coach not a manager under Zola. Dux was a bloke whose mouthing off about Ashley in one of his casinos in Newcastle cost us a couple of extra million on an already poor deal for Dyer. He lied time and time again. He called Parker, Bellamy, Upson into the office and said "choose which one of you is going to be sold to balance the books?" He bought a player that no one knew or wanted until he turned up on the training ground and cost us a court case because of it.

He mortgaged the crown jewels and took pay day loans whilst all the time running down the previous administration and selling everything that moved. The guy was a solicitor and would have known that administration wouldn't have meant oblivion. We were skint but no where near dead. The banks were willing to do business, we could have survived administration and probably benefited from it. The place was in chaos both on the pitch and behind the scenes.

Then along came Gold and the Sullivan's. Fernandez had made initial contact and the Daves got wind that we were there for the taking.

The initial idea was to let us go into administration and buy us like they did Birmingham, but there were two other players. They had fresh cash from the sale of Birmingham who they bought for 700K when it was in administration. (It had been that way for five months). They made big promises. They were then forced out after opening the players lounge to the public on match days. This after there policy of loan signings and free transfers on big wages relegated the club. the tried to build a new stadium and lost the funding. they wouldn't put their own money in. They then sold the club for around £90 million.

The truth was we weren't going bust but we were going cheap. They paid around £25 million each to acquire the club which was valued at £105 million.

They said ""Zola is absolutely staying. I can say that categorically. West Ham United need stability after all the recent upheavals. We appointed four managers and parted company with two at Birmingham in 16 years. We believe in our managers and give them the time and support they need," he added, revealing that he wants to take West Ham into the Champions League in the next decade. "We have a seven-year plan to get them into the Champions League.

"We are deeply and passionately involved in West Ham. It is where I have wanted to be for 20 years. We have done [what we have done] in a way that is good for Birmingham and we have got the club we wanted. Over the next seven years we will spend a lot of money."

Sullivan said part of their plan for the future of West Ham is to move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium. "It is the natural home for West Ham," he said. "We hope to persuade the government to let us move into the new Olympic Stadium and I believe the people of east London would support that move."

CB Holding said the debt was 38 million though Sullivan said it was £110 million in debt?

Gold and Sullivan invested £20 million each to clear some immediate debts as loans.

So they didn't "save us" as we didn't need saving. They made a business move to make a profit based on moving to the OS. They had £90 million to spend so put very little of their own wealth into the club.

They were courting Mark Hughes and then Martin O'Neil behind the managers back. They recruited players and imposed them on the managers. The players would freely discuss how bad it was and how the chairman was dictating things. Then the O'Neil thing went public and Brady threatened to sack any member of staff who so much as breathed what happened at West ham despite jack and Dave running riot on Twitter. The players were told not to speak to other employees.

I believed that the move to the OS would be great for us as a club. I was a sucker and fell for it. The truth is I just want them gone now.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:37 pm

Cracking post.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by ereford ammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:41 pm

Seconded :thup:

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Ozza » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:08 pm

Without a doubt, the most disgusting humans that we have ever had connected to this great club, scum is an understatement.

I detest them and everything that stand for and do...

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by e-20 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:09 pm

:thup: Thirded.

Interestingly one's instincts would have described it almost exactly along those lines. What negative emotions we inevitably feel about these shysters is almost always close to the truth.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Kialos » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:14 pm

Yep, fantastic post BristolHammer :thup:

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Corney Beal » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:20 pm

Excellent Bristol. Thanks.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by HamburgHammer » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:50 pm

Spot on Bristol. Still, there will be fans who continue to fall for the “But they saved us!“ spiel...

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by ashbanki » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:03 pm

Cracking post Bristol!!

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by bitter-iron-ny » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:04 am

Bristol :thup:

No doubt we went from bad to worse. Or considering what we had before the Icelandics, from worse to bad to worse.

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Post by Albie Beck » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:41 am

Every West Ham fan should read that Brisl. :thup:

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