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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by e17 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:41 am

West Ham brylcream droid: “Good morning OSB - we’re going to add 300 more seats to the stadium.”

*Assorted group of free thinking, independent West Ham season ticket holders takes a break from installing women’s toilets, building beer shelves and ending apartheid...*

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Knighter10WHU » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:01 am

Georgee Paris wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:34 am
Also I’m fairly certain that the block we are in 113/114 next to the away fans will have to be moved as we are in line with the corner flags... currently the closest points to the pitch - you can’t straighten out the corners. I bet we end up getting moved and worse seats. I imagine the lower tier away fans behind the goal will be closer and our fans on the opposite side behind the goals. But all those currently in seats close to the corner flags will be affected.
I'm not sure those in the blocks in the STBL nearest to 113/114 will be any closer to the pitch, maybe marginally. I thought the point was more the middle of the tier behind the goal will now be level with the corners so really it is only the middle blocks who will get any noticeable benefit.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Knighter10WHU » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:06 am

Monkey Magic wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:15 pm
Interesting article comparing it to The Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam

https://stadiumjourney.com/news/new-sta ... on-stadium
I like the comparison and hopefully something with time and investment from new owners we can maybe achieve. The biggest difference here is not so much the squaring off of the ends but the lack of gaps between the upper and lower tiers (behind the goals particularly) - this in my opinion is the biggest problem with the OS and always will be.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Beavis Danzig » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:06 am

no chance. when people make comparisons with a lot of stadium conversions they underestimate what a vast volume of space there is inside the bowl.

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that's feyenoord stadium vs the OS.

one of the few logistcal advantages of the OS is that you could effectively build an entire new stadium inside it without even needing to knock down most of the old one.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Denbighammer » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:28 pm

****'s sake that pics ridiculous!! How many people does the Feyenoord stadium hold??

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Post by Pop Robson » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:00 pm

An Oldie but a Goldie

Boleyn Inside the Emirates inside the OS

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by spod » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:14 pm

Denbighammer wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:28 pm
****'s sake that pics ridiculous!! How many people does the Feyenoord stadium hold??
51,000.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Samba » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:00 pm

Doc H Ball wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:19 am
A few things about the squared off seats.

West Ham’s OS release suggests that they paid, that it’s fulfilling a promise and that it was the OSB’s brainchild.

Every one of those claims is untrue.

The operator pays, the motive is to cut costs and only 300 seats will be closer and they will have no roof.

The bumf says that the idea is ‘that it will look better on TV’ having it squared.

The idea had nothing to do with the OSB who, as pointed out elsewhere, were told a year ago, never consulted and now eat cherry pie.

It will backfire again when reality bites.
:thup: Doc.
Only 2 options will work: complete demolition & rebuild, or we leave.
This tinkering won't work, never will work & will improve nothing.
The Board are using it to try to lessen the protests.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by brooking_1980 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:01 pm

Samba wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:00 pm
This tinkering won't work, never will work & will improve nothing.
Correct, serously, what could you possibly do, even if you had an unlimited budget to improve the view, get people closer to the action, at the OS.

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Post by Georgee Paris » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:25 pm

The only way it would be possible - with an unlimited budget would be to build from the edge of the pitch backwards.

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Georgee Paris wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:25 pm
The only way it would be possible - with an unlimited budget would be to build from the edge of the pitch backwards.
Completely agree, the issue is that the gradiant for the lower tier would be too shallow meaning that they would have to build up to the upper tier (which would not be able to see due to the gradient) - I remember seeing some diagrams a few years ago on this thread which highlighted the gradient issue

The only other way would be to do what Man City did and dig down for the seating to meet the right distance for the pitch - this cannot be done because of the athletics provision (destroying the running track in the process) and the so called contaminated land (which could be done if money wasn't an issue though) Unless there was some pneumatic system/mountable running track that could be used to cover over the first 20 rows of seats for athletics then this wouldn't be possible - even then you'd have to support the whole pitch which would be way too costly and likely cheaper to build a new stadium

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Post by Danny's Dyer Acting » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:13 pm

brooking_1980 wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:01 pm
Correct, serously, what could you possibly do, even if you had an unlimited budget to improve the view, get people closer to the action, at the OS.
Unlimited budget you say?

New roof that goes right up to pitchside.
One by one you close, rip down and rebuild each stand as a proper football stadium.
Fill in the corners as budgets allow.

Should only take 5-10 years and a few hundred million to complete.

EDIT: Forgot the athletics legacy. A track around the roof, 5 deckchairs and plenty of safety harnesses should do.

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Post by Beavis Danzig » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:17 pm

there's a giant run down old cash and carry off of cambridge heath road. has its own carparks and everything, easily accessible from bethnal green and cambridge heath stations. bet they'd sell the land for the right offer and collapsing a corregated warhouse would be a lot cheaper than dismantling an olympic stadium.

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Post by sanchoz » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:30 am

Stadium Safety Advisory Group meeting minutes from 3rd December now released:
Persistent Standing
3 December 2019 – update
LS185 confirmed that they circulated the current contingency plan document. LBN to comment.
West Ham v Crystal Palace
There was an increase in categorisation of the fixture due to police intelligence. Police added that there were no significant issues to be reported.Some minor issues were dealt with successfully by the police, LS185 and the club.

West Ham v Sheffield United
More away coaches arrived than notified to the club. The seg netting was breached and Sheffield United are dealing with the culprits. The police added that the change to the egress route for the away fans worked well and was effective in preventing disorder issues around Carpenters. LS185 added that they will be assessing route changes on an event by event basis depending on various factors.

West Ham v Newcastle United
Lower attendance recorded, with no major issues noted. There was an attempted pitch incursion which was promptly intercepted. Police added that there was an issue with a chair back being thrown in the Newcastle area. Partners discussed the need to have barriers put on bridge 4. JN (LBN) informed the group that he has already met with SEW (LLDC) and will be reviewing the request as it’s a complicated piece of work due to land ownership

West Ham v Tottenham Hotspur
No major disorder incidences reported. There were some ticketing issues with away fans trying to get into the home area which was dealt with efficiently. Racist comments made by fans is being investigated by the police. The police request for the closure of the outside bar at turnstile B was effective in mitigating disorder.
The SGSA (Sports Grounds Safety Authority) have carried out risk assessments of all the grounds in the country. Due to the physical nature of the stadium, persistent standing is still noted as an issue and the SGSA would like to know what further steps are being proposed to deal with this. The guidance suggests physical barriers are accepting of persistent standing.

Detailed discussions continued reviewing various options and control measures. Viable physical solution and an action plan that is time limited needs to be submitted to the SGSA before the board meeting in January 2020.

WHU added that the process currently in place is working and there has been a huge improvement over time.
The proposed stadium reconfiguration from the stadium owners, not the football club:
E20 have now appointed a company to do the work on the north and south seating system. There is an intense period of detailed design and prototype between now and end of January 2020. The plan is to have them installed after Athletics in July in 2020. This will have no impact on the total capacity in the stadium. Wet seats plan to be drafted by end of January 2020 to manage the 300 people in each stand outside the roof line, and a new manifest will go in at that time.

E20 are committed to reviewing the side screenings and the segregation line will be redesigned as proposed earlier in the year. Currently assessing the void treatment and what would happen on progressive collapse.

LBN raised their concerns about what information will go out on the wet seat and risk of seat migration. A new seating manifest from West Ham Football Club to be submitted to LBN.
Other things noted in the minutes include how Newham and Westfield are not happy with the road closures that were in place around 3rd December

https://www.newham.gov.uk/Documents/Bus ... er2019.pdf

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by aaronhammer » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:02 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51457337

So Man Utd will likely join Tottenham with rail seating being available in their stadium.

You would think that with the changes being made to the seating in 2 lower tiers, a forward thinking, progressive club would use that opportunity to install rail seating as well?

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Post by Up the Junction » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:07 am

Georgee Paris wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:25 pm
The only way it would be possible - with an unlimited budget would be to build from the edge of the pitch backwards.
Yep - with a concourse (inc shops, whatever) BEHIND the utter tier.

Every single seat needs to be brought closer to the pitch to make it a "world class" football stadium. That's the reality.

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Up the Junction wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:07 am
Yep - with a concourse (inc shops, whatever) BEHIND the utter tier.

Every single seat needs to be brought closer to the pitch to make it a "world class" football stadium. That's the reality.
To be fair, that'd be awesome. Build a stadium within the stadium, build huge multi-level indoor concourses behind the stands behind the goals.

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Post by Up the Junction » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:13 am

HammerMan2004 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:08 am
Build a stadium within the stadium, build huge multi-level indoor concourses behind the stands behind the goals.
:thup: A few hundred million should suffice...

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by Beavis Danzig » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:27 am

if installing rail seating just means standing where their current seat is then that's a huge missed opportunity.

i read a report that with proper safe standing you can fit 1.8 seats in for every 1 you could seated. not only would you be standing (louder), but you'd be jammed in next to the two people next to you (louder) and the rake would be much steeper (louder) and given all this, they could make the tickets a fair bit cheaper (louder).

a stadium designed with a significant proportion of safe standing areas rather than a few token seats would be the most intimidating in the whole league.

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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Post by spod » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:11 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:08 am
To be fair, that'd be awesome. Build a stadium within the stadium, build huge multi-level indoor concourses behind the stands behind the goals.
I think, commercially, the solution would be for Newham to sell the stadium to the club's new owners, and for the club to redevelop, incorporating commercial units around the outside in the space left when the stands are moved in towards the pitch. Some of those commercial units could be gifted to Newham in exchange for a reduced sale price, which would make the deal more politically acceptable, and more viable for the new owners.
Did I mention that this would only work with new owners?

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