Manuel Pellegrini: West Ham United’s 17th manager

[Monkeybubbles]

Whatever he had as a manager has gone it seems. Or was it because he mostly had rich clubs with good players?

Rich clubs like Villareal (2nd in La Liga and Champions League Semi Final) and mighty minnows Malaga (4th in La Liga and CL quarters)?

[jaybs]

What we do know is how he asks the players to play is not working! one man upfront on his own? for me Pellegrini always look so tried & weary, no enthusiasm at all.Perhaps at clubs with unlimited budgets and top players it works with him, but he never enthuses me, but we are stuck with him too expensive as other have said to get rid, worries me we will have little money in January to spend, never seen the ground empty so quickly before full time in our section, then when with some luck we got goals back, last few minutes we are passing the ball sideways in the centre!

[Monkeybubbles]

We've had three disappointing results in the league (Palace, SheffU and Newcastle) and people are looking for reasons to get rid and appoint Zidane. Or ****ing Dyche, that'll be ****ing great, won't it? It's all very Arsenal.

We've had midtable investment in a midtable squad, and he's probably now a midtable manager. No other manager we could attract would do significantly better. Those are the facts at West Ham United. Any ideas of "the next level" are fiction. We should be used to it.

[il_martello_di_genovesi]

We've had three disappointing results in the league (Palace, SheffU and Newcastle) and people are looking for reasons to get rid and appoint Zidane. Or ****ing Dyche, that'll be ****ing great, won't it? It's all very Arsenal.

4 poor results in the league when you include Everton. They were in the bottom 3 and we were the only team they had beaten in 6 matches, not to mention how bad our performance was. Then throw in a 4-0 defeat in the cup to a League One side.

I don't want him sacked, but I do want him to try and make some positive changes, which include putting what little pace we have back into the side and Ogbonna back in. He should at least be held responsible for making poor changes which has produced some poor results. Zabaleta and Balbuena being brought into the side are on him...they weren't forced.

[Crouchend_Hammer]

We've had three disappointing results in the league (Palace, SheffU and Newcastle) and people are looking for reasons to get rid and appoint Zidane. Or ****ing Dyche, that'll be ****ing great, won't it? It's all very Arsenal.

We've had midtable investment in a midtable squad, and he's probably now a midtable manager. No other manager we could attract would do significantly better. Those are the facts at West Ham United. Any ideas of "the next level" are fiction. We should be used to it.

I don't want him to go but at the moment we are not a mid table side
We are a relegation threatened side who has had an absurdly easy fixture list and unless things change will be down at the bottom end of the table in a month or so

[Monkeybubbles]

I don't want him to go but at the moment we are not a mid table side

Well, we are.

Three bad results.

[Monkeybubbles]

4 poor results in the league when you include Everton. They were in the bottom 3 and we were the only team they had beaten in 6 matches, not to mention how bad our performance was. Then throw in a 4-0 defeat in the cup to a League One side.

The performance was awful, granted, but I don't think West Ham getting beat at Everton is a really disappointing result in perspective.

[Jabsco79]

What has Fredrick's done to upset pellers?
As I cant see why you would play grandad over him.
They looked liked a load of strangers who met for the first time yesterday and could not be bothered to try that hard. Something massive needs to change or we will be going down with out a Shadow of doubt

Been wondering that same thing. Fredericks always seems to be made the fall guy. Zabaleta and Pellegrini obviously go back a long way but the manager hung him out dry yesterday against a totally unpredictable but bloody quick player, something Fredericks is and Zabaleta isn’t.

[Crouchend_Hammer]

Well, we are.
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Three bad results.

13 points from the set of fixtures we have had is relegation output

We have played only two out of 12 games against the top six. None away
We have not played Leicester or Wolves

Carry on as we are and we won't be mid table for long

[leer34]

Not surprised To witness another gutless, insipid performance against opposition that had not scored more than 1 goal in any other league match, who had 3 or 4 first team players missing, who by ht should have been 4 or more goals up, and to witness the slowest team in the league look around confused at each other waving their arms in the air if to say why is this happening...
Its happening because of so many factors, dropping ogbonna who has been one of the better players, droppong pacy fredericks against a team who dont have many attributes barring pace, lining up snodgrass, noble, yarmalenko in the same midfield who between them have less pace than our 85/86 midfielders who are now near enough in their 60's.
Baffling how many thought this was our best squad when its weaker than last season obiang and hernandez not replaced, young fernandez who at least had some energy not replaced, arnie replaced by a completely different striker in haller,
Get some pace and energy back in the team any way possible, fredericks masuaku back in, recall diangana
In jan and hope antonio is ready soon,
Get the midfield sorted centrally, everyone with average vison knows we are woeful in this area and need some energy, strength and legs as we simply cannot compete.
Another meh season awaits and under this stewardship it won't improve but for the love of God
Start to address the issues in the team that have been apparent for years and at least try and show 60k fans there is a spark of a plan as we havent seen one in a very very long time.

[Monkeybubbles]

13 points from the set of fixtures we have had is relegation output

Apart from the three recent bad results, we've drawn away from home three times, won at home twice, won away once. Only lost one game, against City. That's a long way from relegation output. That's top six.

Three bad results. Let's not worry yet. Let's give him time to srt it.

[Roby]

The football under Moyes and Pearce in their last 6 games with a side theyd largely inherited was a lot better than we’ve seen in the last six under Pellegrini. Admittedly we did have Arnie but to mock Moyes as a manager because he’s not currently working is akin to doing the same with Wenger and Mourinho who also aren’t employed.

Exactly.

I think Moyes deserved more respect from our fan base for what he did for us.

Had Ogbonna playing his best season for us and turned Arnautovic into one of the best forwards in the league outside of the Champions League sides.

We already know he was scouting McGinn to be a summer signing, El Pell comes in and instead signs Wilshire and Sanchez in that centre midfield position which doesn’t look too clever.

I got the impression Moyes was actually proud to manage us, I don’t get that with Pellegrini. All his interviews have just come off like he’s doing us a massive favour in being here. All his talk of us having a ending a big club mentality, maybe he should pull his finger out his arse and show he’s a big club manager.

His results this season show he was once upon a time but not now.

[Hammer in Hornchurch]

I don't get this "Fornals was signed as a Nasri replacement" the bloke was here 6 months, barely played, maybe a total of 3 games, so how do you spend 24M to replace a bloke who cost nowt and hardly ever stepped foot on the field ?

Exactly. How many games did Nasri play in, 5 ? of which how many made a difference to team performance, I can only think of one.
Centre midfield energy/physicality was needed and has been for at least 2 seasons, but instead he spent 24 million on Fornals. Attacking midfield was not a priority position to add to.
Yes, Pellegrini should have got more transfer funds, but he needed to spend what he did have on sorting the main weakness area on the team with it first and foremost.

[Doc H Ball]

We've had three disappointing results in the league (Palace, SheffU and Newcastle) and people are looking for reasons to get rid and appoint Zidane. Or ****ing Dyche, that'll be ****ing great, won't it? It's all very Arsenal.

We've had midtable investment in a midtable squad, and he's probably now a midtable manager. No other manager we could attract would do significantly better. Those are the facts at West Ham United. Any ideas of "the next level" are fiction. We should be used to it.

Absolutely.

It’s a bit like the closing scenes in Joker with the Clowns running around shouting for Jose.

[Crouchend_Hammer]

Apart from the three recent bad results, we've drawn away from home three times, won at home twice, won away once. Only lost one game, against City. That's a long way from relegation output. That's top six.

Three bad results. Let's not worry yet. Let's give him time to srt it.

I am a long way from wanting him replaced, but given our set of fixtures between now and January we need a huge improvement on what we have seen so far this season to be mid table at the end of it

You can't say it is top six form apart from the bad results. Every club coukd say that!

[Monkeybubbles]

You can't say it is top six form apart from the bad results. Every club coukd say that!

True, but you can't say it's relegation form apart from the good results.

We were doing well for quite a few games, then something changed and we're doing poorly for a few games. Three league games. If we're still playing badly in another, I dunno, four games then we might start to worry.

You know how it goes. We'll take points off of Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal. Happy days are here again.

[leer34]

Anyone who thinks we were doing well earlier in the season simply hasnt watched us,
Apart from 1 second half against norwich we have been very average...now we're not even that.

[Crouchend_Hammer]

True, but you can't say it's relegation form apart from the good results.

We were doing well for quite a few games, then something changed and we're doing poorly for a few games. Three league games. If we're still playing badly in another, I dunno, four games then we might start to worry.

You know how it goes. We'll take points off of Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal. Happy days are here again.

We have been pretty average, at best, all season
If you set a target for these first eleven fixtures, then 13 points would be about the minimum target.
We have had a very easy set of fixtures and are four points of the bottom three.
More worrying is our performances have generally been poor as well
All of that says possible relegation scrap rather than mid table comfort to me

[chigwells finest]

I can accept us playing badly , ive been used to it since my first game in 1971, what I cant accept is a manager playing players totally out of their depth in positions where its an absolute certainty they will be targeted by the opposition , this, week on week . I thought he looked haunted yesterday after the game . if some of the u-23's cant get a look in now , they never ever will .

[Ironing Board]

Rich clubs like Villareal (2nd in La Liga and Champions League Semi Final) and mighty minnows Malaga (4th in La Liga and CL quarters)?

Villarreal yes, but Malaga was an oil money project until the owner had cash flow problems.