Manuel Pellegrini: West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Pango » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:30 pm

You always start at the back.

Roberto is nowhere near good enough. There are plenty of better keepers in the Championship.

Its a gross gamble or plain mismanagement to go into a season with Roberto and Martin as the backup keepers and hope that Fabianski stays fit.

Thats where the problem lies .... Burnley's tactics will be 'work the keeper' and nothing else ........

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Post by S-H » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:34 pm

I would rather have kept Trott, than taken a punt on Roberto, surely he couldn't have been any worse?

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Post by iLoveLasagne » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:44 pm

I am not sure if a young kid could take the psychological tolls of shipping in goals week in week out, if that were to be the case of course.

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Post by S-H » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:49 pm

iLoveLasagne wrote:
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I am not sure if a young kid could take the psychological tolls of shipping in goals week in week out, if that were to be the case of course.

True, but surely he'd have more motivation to learn from his mistakes, strive to improve. If he was playing now it would almost be seen as a free hit for the lad, go out there and try your best, no pressure etc. But I do agree with what you are saying, I just think on reflection, what did we have to lose?

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Post by YorksHammer » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:23 pm

I think shopping for back-up GKs is probably the hardest thing in football, unless you're a big club playing heck loads of wages to them.

Most often the only way a club get a really high quality back up is when they replace an incumbent number one with an upgrade. Thinking of Man City having someone like Claudio Bravo, they signed him then moved for Ederson a season later, making their previous number one a number two. Equally they can pay Bravo handsomely, which helps.

We did that when we signed Fabianski and had Adrian as number two. But to then sign and replace Adrian - you either need to do what we did with Adrian originally, sign a younger GK on a free who will aspire to replace the incumbent player, or you struggle and end up with the type we have (we also did this with Randolph replacing Jussi) that aren't perfect.

I'd have liked to see us stick with Trott, or alternatively only sign Martin. I think the signing of Roberto was a sound one in principal, but I think Martin being homegrown and more used to the physicality in the English game should put him ahead, and personally I'd rather see him having a run in the team right now and being allowed the leeway to make a mistake or two in the way Roberto is.

EDIT: Not sure if this is the best place to put this or not, but - https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... pellegrini
West Ham director of football Mario Husillos’s future in doubt amid slump
• Unhappiness with Argentinian’s work in summer transfer market
• Husillos is close ally of manager Manuel Pellegrini

Jacob Steinberg

West Ham’s alarm at their recent slump has raised doubts over the future of Mario Husillos, the club’s director of football and one of Manuel Pellegrini’s closest allies.

Pellegrini is in no danger of being sacked, with West Ham determined to back their manager despite sliding into 13th after picking up two points from their past five games, but questions are being asked about Husillos’s role. There is unhappiness with the Argentinian’s work in the transfer market last summer and he faces a fight to retain ultimate responsibility for identifying signings in January. After that, the club may look to review Husillos’s position.

West Ham, who performed shambolically during last Saturday’s 3-2 home defeat by Newcastle, broke their transfer record when they signed Sébastien Haller from Eintracht Frankfurt and they expect the £45m striker to come good despite struggling in front of goal recently. Yet eyebrows have been raised at two of Husillos’s picks. Pablo Fornals, a £24m signing from Villarreal, is yet to make an impact and the Spanish goalkeeper Roberto Jiménez has failed to impress while deputising for Lukasz Fabianski, who could be out until the new year with a hip injury.

Fornals is adjusting to the pace of English football but it is debatable whether West Ham, who visit Burnley on Saturday, needed to sign the 23-year-old Spaniard. Pellegrini wanted a commanding central midfielder at the start of the summer and West Ham pushed hard to sign André Gomes from Barcelona. Gomes joined Everton instead.

The messaging changed after West Ham missed out on the Portugal midfielder. They switched the emphasis to attack and pushed through the signing of Fornals, a creative midfielder, even though they had Felipe Anderson, Manuel Lanzini, Robert Snodgrass and Andriy Yarmolenko in those positions.

Fornals has started four league games and a lack of robustness in central midfield has remained an issue. West Ham did not replace Pedro Obiang or Edimilson Fernandes after selling them to Sassuolo and Mainz respectively and there is little depth behind Declan Rice and Mark Noble. Carlos Sánchez, the 33-year-old Colombian midfielder, has no future at the club and Jack Wilshere, who has 18 months left on a contract worth close to £100,000 a week, is rarely fit.

It has not helped that Fabianski has been out since going off injured against Bournemouth on 28 September. Fabianski’s previous No 2, Adrián, joined Liverpool on a free last summer and Roberto has been a disaster.

The 33-year-old did not play a league game for Espanyol last season but he played 34 times when Málaga were relegated from La Liga in 2018. Husillos left Málaga at the end of that season and joined West Ham on Pellegrini’s recommendation. The London Stadium club’s board had wanted to make Eduardo Macià their director of football but went with their new manager’s choice instead.

Husillos has struggled to convince West Ham of his worth and the signing of Roberto has heightened doubts over his judgment. There were misgivings about Roberto when West Ham lost 4-0 to Oxford United in the Carabao Cup in September and he has performed poorly since stepping in for Fabianski, making costly errors in defeats by Everton and Newcastle.

The slump has hit West Ham’s hopes of breaking into the top six but they have faith in Pellegrini, whose £7m-a-year contract runs out in the summer of 2021. At the same time there are concerns over the former Manchester City manager’s tactics and team selections. Pablo Zabaleta, the 34-year-old right-back, was repeatedly exposed against Newcastle and there is irritation at the failure to get the best out of Haller, who has scored once in his past eight games.

West Ham have a tough run after the international break, with home games against Arsenal and Tottenham and trips to Chelsea and Wolves set to test their faith in Pellegrini. They will make decisions next month on whether they need to spend in January.

Uncertainty over Conor Coventry’s future poses another problem for West Ham. The 19-year-old midfielder’s contract runs out at the end of the season and he is unhappy with the terms on offer. The Republic of Ireland Under-21 international is attracting interest from several clubs and could leave in January.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by 61dicksey » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:55 pm

That is one way for Sullivan to undermine Pellegrini sack his right hand man. :(

Although that article is pretty much on the money.

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Post by S-H » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:34 pm

They are so predictable aren't they.

If poor signings was a reason to lose your job then Sullivan should have sacked himself years ago.

Maybe if they'd given him more money he could've bought in players that would have complimented the attacking players, that box to box midfielder we are crying out for, a left back, and maybe we could've signed an actual goalkeeper rather than some freebie. Maybe if they hadn't cleared the decks and sold two backup goal scoring strikers, we might not be struggling any more.

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is, f*** off GSB you bunch of c****

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Post by Puff Daddy » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:53 pm

Can't argue with anything on that report. FFIW, I too think Hussilios is a ****ing useless, unnecessary waste of ****ing space as well When you think abut it, it says everything about our transfer strategy, we needed a back up goalkeeper to replace the departing Adrian, and Hussilios gets a guy based on nothing else but his time at club where he last worked two years previous, but hadn't seen since. FFS , get some proper scouting going. There are better goalkeepers in Scotland than Roberto and that really is saying something

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Post by Morocco Mole » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:58 pm

I’d rather keep Husillos than Pellegrini personally.

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Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:04 pm

S-H, it could be said the money to buy a box-to-box midfielder was there but Pellegrini chose to spend it on another lightweight attacking midfielder, a position where we were already well covered.

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Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:10 pm

slightly digressing but in line....

just had Talksport on after the Arsenal game and of course with another disappointing draw (their words) fans called in

no different to Wenger
no set plan
no belief in the manager
he's got to go

their suggestions to replace Emery ?

the bloke at Sheff Utd, Chris Wilder and Brendan Rodgers

replace Emery's name with Pellegrini and viola we have ..........................US..

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Post by chigwells finest » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:16 pm

No2 gks are rarely great , always liable to make mistakes , that's why they are not 1st choice , even Adrian made a few ricks at Liverpool which didn't cost them games , it would've done if playing for us .

I don't know about keepers in the lower levels , but the best in form gk last season was Randolph , and we all wanted rid too

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Post by Puff Daddy » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:29 pm

chigwells finest wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:16 pm
No2 gks are rarely great , always liable to make mistakes , that's why they are not 1st choice , even Adrian made a few ricks at Liverpool which didn't cost them games , it would've done if playing for us .

I don't know about keepers in the lower levels , but the best in form gk last season was Randolph , and we all wanted rid too
There used to be an unwritten rule in football regarding goalkeepers. You go either, Russian, Czech, German or Italian. It isn't quite so distinct anymore, but it is still generally recognised that those countries produce the best. I bet there still are some terrific goalkeepers in Russia today, who wouldn't cost the earth, but would be outstanding between the sticks, but nobody outside of their league has ever even heard of, or even knows about

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Post by Westbourne Bill » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:55 pm

I’d not be surprised if Fornals is flipped in January. He appears to be rated in Spain and cases of WH imports starting as poorly then turning it around are so rare I can’t think of one. One of our “Fancy Dans” as someone referred to who could easily be sacrificed for where priorities lie elsewhere.

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Post by Ironing Board » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:37 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:29 pm
There used to be an unwritten rule in football regarding goalkeepers. You go either, Russian, Czech, German or Italian. It isn't quite so distinct anymore, but it is still generally recognised that those countries produce the best. I bet there still are some terrific goalkeepers in Russia today, who wouldn't cost the earth, but would be outstanding between the sticks, but nobody outside of their league has ever even heard of, or even knows about
There are always solid keepers playing in the Scottish League. Look at Julian Speroni, who played for lowly Dundee, and the great Antii Niemi, who played for Hearts. Niemi was arguably the best goalie in England, and he played for a second rate SPL team.

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Post by Sloop John B » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:03 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:29 pm
There used to be an unwritten rule in football regarding goalkeepers. You go either, Russian, Czech, German or Italian. It isn't quite so distinct anymore, but it is still generally recognised that those countries produce the best.
Urrgghhh... The nonsense you talk.... :asleep:

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Puff Daddy » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:10 am

Sloop John B wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:03 am
Urrgghhh... The nonsense you talk.... :asleep:

It's true. Why do you think we signed one from near Moscow ?

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Post by Patito » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:19 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:53 pm
Can't argue with anything on that report. FFIW, I too think Hussilios is a ****ing useless, unnecessary waste of ****ing space as well
This place is hilarious when we're on a bad run.

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Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:05 pm

probably will get it's own thread..

but

according to * & *

West Ham expected to announce losses

The financial accounts which need to filed at companies house by the end of February next year will include the cost of hiring Manuel Pellegrini and his backroom team while also factoring his first summer transfer window in which net spend was around £90m.

Losses are thought to be around £27m after profits of £18m in 2018 and £43m in 2017.


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Post by YorksHammer » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:11 pm

We did have a high net spend last summer, that much is true - not surprised to see us report a loss as a result. More than offset by the profits from the previous two seasons, though.

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