Manuel Pellegrini: West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Absolutely spot on TtS! :scarfer:
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Former Everton manager, not fond of former Liverpool manager... Shocker!
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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S-H wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 am Former Everton manager, not fond of former Liverpool manager... Shocker!
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Hammer1972 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:55 am So if Benitez is boring football, Moyes is...?
No thanks to Benitez. He has had 2 opportunities to take the job and didn't take both chances, so let him rot in China :thup:

I only want a manager that genuinely wants to manage our club. One that is hungry to do the best job and sees us as a step up in their career.

He's not getting any younger either. Yes, not as old as Pellers, but he still went to China like Pellers. And just look at the excuses he is making for wanting to return to England. I.e. his family still lives here. Oh so whichever job you take you are just doing it to live in England. So are we just simply the club that'll pay your wages then? Doesn't sound like a hungry manager with ambition.

The managers on my list when the day comes are:

- Eddie Howe;
- Chris Wilder;
- Danny Cowley.

They are all gambles for different reasons. But given time and I think they would all do a great job :thup: and even if we god forbid got relegated under either I would even trust them to keep them in the job and build us straight back up.

Niko Kovac is an interesting wildcard option with the formations he plays and what he has achieved even before the Bayern Munich job. But minus the Croatia job has never managed outside of Germany so big gamble. Not to mention I am not sure he can speak fluent English or not. And that for me is very important should we decide to hire a non-English manager.

Another option I would've explored too if he could speak more English and wasn't too old is Marcelo Bielsa. But those 2 reasons, along with the lack of ambition joining Championship club Leeds is off-putting. The fact he plays good attacking formations, how strict and disciplined he is, how fit he likes to keep his teams, plus like to have a young squad and give the kids a chance makes me believe he could've had all the perfect ingredients to become a very good manager for our club.
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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No.. But that's the game we have been playing for the last few months, isn't it?
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Ironing Board wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:01 am You miss the point. Benitez’ Newcastle were woeful - would park the bus every game. Steve Bruce is doing a better job.

Moyes Everton were defensive and physical at first and then evolved into a good Premier League team on a tight budget.
I don't think I do.

So Benitez parked the bus whereas Moyes was 'defensive'....

Also, Benitez honours:

Manager

Valencia
La Liga: 2001–02, 2003–04
UEFA Cup: 2003–04

Liverpool
FA Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2005

Inter Milan
Supercoppa Italiana: 2010
FIFA Club World Cup: 2010

Chelsea
UEFA Europa League: 2012–13

Napoli
Coppa Italia: 2013–14
Supercoppa Italiana: 2014

Newcastle United
EFL Championship: 2016–17[141]

Individual
La Liga Best Coach: 2002
UEFA Manager of the Year: 2003–04, 2004–05
European Coach of the Year—Alf Ramsey Award: 2005
LMA Special Merit Award: 2006[citation needed]
Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013, November 2018[142]
EFL Championship Manager of the Month: October 2016[143]

Moyes Honours:

Manager

Preston North End
Football League Second Division: 1999–2000[90]

Manchester United
FA Community Shield: 2013[90]

Individual
LMA Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09[91]
Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2002, September 2004, January 2006, February 2008, February 2009, January 2010, March 2010, October 2010, September 2012, March 2013

What a lucky escape we had eh.
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Was Benitez overly defensive at Liverpool? I genuinely can't remember, or did he just set up a team to suit the players at his disposal, at that particular time?

At Newcastle did he just do the best with the players, and the limited resources he had to work with?

I'm not advocating giving him a job here, just asking questions, based on a perception that most seem to have of him.
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S-H wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 am Was Benitez overly defensive at Liverpool? I genuinely can't remember, or did he just set up a team to suit the players at his disposal, at that particular time?

At Newcastle did he just do the best with the players, and the limited resources he had to work with?

I'm not advocating giving him a job here, just asking questions, based a perception that most seem to have of him.

Which you can be sure, is Sullivan's attraction. This is exactly the reason the they went for Grant, Allardyce and Moyes too come to that.
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Hammer1972 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:19 am Liverpool
FA Cup: 2005–06
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Yeah, sorry about that! :D
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I would like Eddie Howe, but that won't happen. Chris Wilder will go places much bigger than the dwarfs West Ham London. But i would love to see the faces of the blunts fans if we nicked him
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MooresTheHero wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:48 am I would like Eddie Howe, but that won't happen. Chris Wilder will go places much bigger than the dwarfs West Ham London. But i would love to see the faces of the blunts fans if we nicked him

Wilder has always left for a bigger club with every move. In my opinion, he is not yet ready to make that quantum leap to one of the big four, who would almost certainly overlook him if they suddenly had a vacancy. He would need to make that transitionary move to somebody like us first of all
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S-H wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 am Was Benitez overly defensive at Liverpool? I genuinely can't remember, or did he just set up a team to suit the players at his disposal, at that particular time?
The way I remember him was yes his Liverpool side were pretty boring. He signed very average players, most of whom didn't work. Nearly always played 4231 with a defensive winger on one side, someone like Kuyt. Effective at times but they had designs on winning the league etc.
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Agreed Puff. But not 'a name' for the dwarfs.
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Hammer1972 wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:19 am I don't think I do.

So Benitez parked the bus whereas Moyes was 'defensive'....

Also, Benitez honours:

Manager

Valencia
La Liga: 2001–02, 2003–04
UEFA Cup: 2003–04

Liverpool
FA Cup: 2005–06
FA Community Shield: 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2004–05
UEFA Super Cup: 2005

Inter Milan
Supercoppa Italiana: 2010
FIFA Club World Cup: 2010

Chelsea
UEFA Europa League: 2012–13

Napoli
Coppa Italia: 2013–14
Supercoppa Italiana: 2014

Newcastle United
EFL Championship: 2016–17[141]

Individual
La Liga Best Coach: 2002
UEFA Manager of the Year: 2003–04, 2004–05
European Coach of the Year—Alf Ramsey Award: 2005
LMA Special Merit Award: 2006[citation needed]
Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2005, December 2005, January 2007, October 2008, March 2009, April 2013, November 2018[142]
EFL Championship Manager of the Month: October 2016[143]

Moyes Honours:

Manager

Preston North End
Football League Second Division: 1999–2000[90]

Manchester United
FA Community Shield: 2013[90]

Individual
LMA Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09[91]
Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2002, September 2004, January 2006, February 2008, February 2009, January 2010, March 2010, October 2010, September 2012, March 2013

What a lucky escape we had eh.
The greater number of managerial awards in England suggests Moyes was doing a better job with the resources at his disposal here than Rafa.

Rafa’s greatest success at Liverpool was winning the Champions League with Houllier’s side. His transfer record was poor overall too, though there were some good signings like Alonso and Torres.

The fact he was trying to drop Alonso as he preferred Gareth Barry is quite bizarre. And his ultimate replacement Aquilani was garbage
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Ironing Board wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:16 am
The fact he was trying to drop Alonso as he preferred Gareth Barry is quite bizarre.
This is the stick I usually use to beat him with too. Kind of sums him up really, Alonso was a Rolls Royce of a player, he wanted to sell him off and pay ca. £30mil for Barry to sit in as a DM. Liverpool couldn't shift Alonso and he had the season of his life pinging through balls for Torres IIRC.
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Patito wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:19 am This is the stick I usually use to beat him with too. Kind of sums him up really, Alonso was a Rolls Royce of a player, he wanted to sell him off and pay ca. £30mil for Barry to sit in as a DM. Liverpool couldn't shift Alonso and he had the season of his life pinging through balls for Torres IIRC.
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Ironing Board wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:21 am See - we’re more alike than you think :lol:
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