Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by hammerman11 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:41 am

next season we must aim for Europa league qualification via the league and a good cup run.

pelle can do this I think IF backed and I think he will be as we will also shift a lot of players and get 40m in to add to the dildo money

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Nick Sneddon » Mon May 13, 2019 11:05 am

hammerman11 wrote:next season we must aim for Europa league qualification via the league
Why? We wont be ready to compete in that for at least a couple of seasons imo – be patient

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by davids cross » Mon May 13, 2019 1:52 pm

And so, we complete out seventh successive season back in the Premier League.

Here they are.

18/19 - 10th...52pts (Pellegrini)
17/18 - 13th...42pts (Bilic/Moyes)
16/17 - 11th...45pts (Bilic)
15/16 - 7th.... 62pts (Bilic)
14/15 - 12th.. 47pts (Allardyce)
13/14 - 13th.. 40 pts (Allardyce)
12/13 - 10th.. 46pts (Allardyce)

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by thejackhammer » Mon May 13, 2019 3:29 pm

davids cross wrote:And so, we complete out seventh successive season back in the Premier League.

Here they are.

18/19 - 10th...52pts (Pellegrini)
17/18 - 13th...42pts (Bilic/Moyes)
16/17 - 11th...45pts (Bilic)
15/16 - 7th.... 62pts (Bilic)
14/15 - 12th.. 47pts (Allardyce)
13/14 - 13th.. 40 pts (Allardyce)
12/13 - 10th.. 46pts (Allardyce)
This shows that this season has been successful.

Bar the freak Bilic season (where considering the shambles of the top 6 we really should have done better.) This is easily our best season, and with nice football to boot compared to the dark days of Allardyce.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by BondsoBob » Mon May 13, 2019 4:23 pm

hammerman11 wrote:next season we must aim for Europa league qualification via the league and a good cup run.

pelle can do this I think IF backed and I think he will be as we will also shift a lot of players and get 40m in to add to the dildo money
Lost count of many times this has been said, but the club don't want it do they ? Any cup is an irrelevance and not worth bothering with, just in case it gets in the way of the holy grail of Premiership survival. Headbanger

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by carnage » Mon May 13, 2019 7:48 pm

davids cross wrote:And so, we complete out seventh successive season back in the Premier League.

Here they are.

18/19 - 10th...52pts (Pellegrini)
17/18 - 13th...42pts (Bilic/Moyes)
16/17 - 11th...45pts (Bilic)
15/16 - 7th.... 62pts (Bilic)
14/15 - 12th.. 47pts (Allardyce)
13/14 - 13th.. 40 pts (Allardyce)
12/13 - 10th.. 46pts (Allardyce)
Basically 3 wins less than the Payet season, but the perceived “success” of each season is far wider than that.
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Aceface » Mon May 13, 2019 8:12 pm

B+

We were the second biggest season-on-season improvers (behind Liverpool).

It was closer to an £85m outlay in the summer fwiw, despite the £100m line becoming a thing. Considering where we were at the time last season finished - a squad that already barely scraped safety was consequently further shorn of João Mario and Lanzini - then that’s value for money.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Puff Daddy » Mon May 13, 2019 8:33 pm

B- for me. Yes we did improve in mid season and late on, but let's not lose sight of the fact we lost all of our first 4 matches and there was also that mid winter slump, culminating in an embarrassing 4th round FA cup defeat at the hands of the bottom team in League 1 at that time. I am not pinning this all on Pellers, the players have to take responsibility too. In addition to this, there were some languid performances, both home and away and some other sluggish displays best forgotten. Next season, I hope to see some of this eradicated and more overall effort. I think we should be aiming for a minimum of 12 home wins and there is no reason we cannot achieve that and 7 or 8 on the road. This season we won 9 home and 6 away

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Diogenes » Mon May 13, 2019 10:56 pm

Aceface wrote:B+

We were the second biggest season-on-season improvers (behind Liverpool).

It was closer to an £85m outlay in the summer fwiw, despite the £100m line becoming a thing. Considering where we were at the time last season finished - a squad that already barely scraped safety was consequently further shorn of João Mario and Lanzini - then that’s value for money.
Very good points. I think where he has excelled this year is the development and improvement of 'players' i.e.
Rice, Antonio, Balbuena, Noble, Masuaku, Fredicks, Diangana, Snodgrass etc. The 'team' is his next big challenge, but the aforementioned improvements must be applauded.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Mon May 13, 2019 11:13 pm

davids cross wrote:And so, we complete out seventh successive season back in the Premier League.

Here they are.

18/19 - 10th...52pts (Pellegrini)
17/18 - 13th...42pts (Bilic/Moyes)
16/17 - 11th...45pts (Bilic)
15/16 - 7th.... 62pts (Bilic)
14/15 - 12th.. 47pts (Allardyce)
13/14 - 13th.. 40 pts (Allardyce)
12/13 - 10th.. 46pts (Allardyce)
i reckon that is the longest spell of coming no lower than 13th in our history!

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Ironing Board » Mon May 13, 2019 11:37 pm

Aceface wrote:B+

We were the second biggest season-on-season improvers (behind Liverpool).

It was closer to an £85m outlay in the summer fwiw, despite the £100m line becoming a thing. Considering where we were at the time last season finished - a squad that already barely scraped safety was consequently further shorn of João Mario and Lanzini - then that’s value for money.
There was me thinking it was Wolves!

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by hammerman11 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 am

we did ok in the end and a reasonable season with the usual lows ala Wimbledon, Cardiff, wolves etc away.

next season is the big one for us all. board need to back him in the summer and I think they will but we wont have a net spend of more than 50m. There are savings to be had by releasing players such as nasri and carroll and selling some for funds.

I just hope he gets a new LB CB DM CF x 2 AND ALL YOUNG PLAYERS NO OVER 30S

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Aceface » Tue May 14, 2019 7:14 am

Ironing Board wrote: There was me thinking it was Wolves!
No worries. Easy mistake to make.

Because it you're doing it by that measure then we were also behind Cardiff and Fulham, who also improved their PL totals by more than our 10 points.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Tue May 14, 2019 7:52 am

C+

or

7.5/10

Several opportunities to claim 7th spot. Losing the opening 4 games and the cup exit to Wimbledon were disappointing.

On the flip, December was great. Strong showing against some of the big boys including "that win" in N17.

We'll all agree that there is some room for improvement. Get rid of some dead wood in the summer and reinforce an already promising squad and 7th (and maybe more) is achievable.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Coops » Tue May 14, 2019 7:55 am

A new manager with a load of new players can be forgiven for loosing their few matches IMO.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by szola » Tue May 14, 2019 8:18 am

Re-established the team into the second tier of the league (7th - 12th spot)
Came within touching distance of a positive goal difference
First team to beat Tottenham at their new stadium
Beat Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham. Didn't lose to Chelsea or Liverpool at home
One youngster turned into a nailed on starter
One youngster turned into a good squad player
Two youngster given their first minutes in the league
Turned two difficult periods (four away games at the start of the season, due to LS and the squad meltdown after Arnautovic wanted to go to China)
The players brough in lifted the team's performance and can be built further

A good season
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by steveyrockstar » Tue May 14, 2019 8:22 am

C+/B- for me

Definite improvement: excellent summer signings; some genuinely brilliant performances; playing attractive football; better squad harmony; emergency of RIce and other youngsters has been fantastic; return to form of players like Antonio.

However, we're still horribly inconsistent and ultimately ended up competing for nothing too early in the season. Had a great opportunity in the FA Cup and totally blew it, and messed up the race for 7th place in March with some terrible performances.

Very much looking forward to next season but important we kick on and build on from this year.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by steveyrockstar » Tue May 14, 2019 8:24 am

Nick Sneddon wrote:
Why? We wont be ready to compete in that for at least a couple of seasons imo – be patient
I think it's a catch 22 - we don't qualify for Europe we'll find it harder to hang on to our best players and kick on. We'll be in an endless cycle of doom.

Also, we have a big squad. I don't see why we couldn't compete in the Europa. Other teams have managed it. It has to be the aim, whether we can do it or not.

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by Nick Sneddon » Tue May 14, 2019 9:42 am

steveyrockstar wrote:I think it's a catch 22 - we don't qualify for Europe we'll find it harder to hang on to our best players and kick on.
Fair. Its gonna be interesting to see how Wolves get on next season ( presuming they qualify )

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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager

Post by DaveWHU1964 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:06 am

Even forgetting individual results such as Tottenham, Arsenal, the Mancs this has been a good first season for Pelligrini. Some seem to have soon forgotten that he inherited a team nearly relegated last season and which had lost two managers inside five months.

His wasn't an easy inheritance. People talk about the £85 million/ the £100 million whatever it was but that money was spent form a position of massive underinvestment/ cashing in in previous transfer windows. The squad he inherited was therefore in need of much work. In my view the sums talked about were the bare minimum required in order to get us back on an even keel. He spent the money as well as could be expected given that he had a lot to do, and still does for that matter. More one that later.

At no stage this season did it look like we were in the remotest danger of getting sucked into a relegation battle. That in itself is a step forward. Whether or not he was sometimes inflexible in his approach to a game's position he undeniably set us up to play the often elusive West Ham way. He gave opportunities to several young players and used them meaningfully which will assist their development. West Ham fans, especially maybe, those of us of a certain age will love that in itself.

Basically, I think he did as well as he could have in his first season. Crackers that some have taken the opportunity to snipe at him on occasion. People forget who we are. People forget what he has done in the game. Anyone think that the stature of West Ham through the early part of this century matches his in the game. In the unlikely event that you do then you're wrong. Truth is we are very unlikely to get better than him anytime soon.

It's not down to him now. It's down to others. Given say, a net £25 million we won't finish as high as we did this season. We'll fall further behind the likes of Wolves. Let that sink in for a minute. Wolves. Others will overtake us too - I have no doubts about that. But given a net £85-£100 million and we are capable of going for the Euro qualification via the league that was mentioned earlier. As are others mind, I only said capable. I suspect that Pellegrini's ambitions are greater than the club's hierarchy but I hope I'm wrong on that. Over to those others now.

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