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back in the day (non WHU)

Post by cockney hammer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:03 pm

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Tom Finney addressing the crowd at Deepdale after playing his last match for Preston – against Luton Town on 30th April 1960. Looks a bit precarious doesn’t it – I think that there would be a few health and safety issues if he gave a speech standing on that table today!

Finney was born in 1922 and left school at 14 to join the family plumbing business – his later nickname was the ‘Preston Plumber’. His footballing career was delayed by the Second World with his League debut coming on August 31st 1946 when it took him just 18 minutes to score for Preston in the 3-2 victory over Leeds at Deepdale. By the time he made his final League appearance in 1960 he had played in 473 league and cup matches, scoring 210 goals. Every one of those appearances was for Preston although he did come out of retirement at the age of 41 in 1963 to play for Distillery of Belfast against Eusebio’s Benfica in a European Cup tie. Just a month after making his League debut Tom Finney played his first match for England, scoring in England’s 7-2 victory away to Northern Ireland. He went on to play 76 times for England and his 30 England goals was a record at the time.
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An unusual football partnership but an amazingly successful one.
Elton John took over the club he supported, Watford, in 1976 and the following year employed Graham Taylor as manager. Taylor had spent five years as Lincoln manager after a playing career with Grimsby and Lincoln and had turned down the managers'
job at First Division WBA to take over at Watford - then in the Fourth Division. But by
the 1982/83 they were in the top flight finishing second to Liverpool and a year later were beaten FA Cup finalists. Taylor left for Aston Villa in 1987 but although he had three years as boss of England and another spell at Vicarage Road it was probably that first spell at Watford that saw his best achievement in football.
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Now what were those Port Vale fans thinking of the match being played
on that long gone day?
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Evidence of a torture chamber at Highbury! No, this is not a picture of a bloke in a
bubble-bath but of Arsenal player Wilf Copping in an ice bath in 1934. It's painful just looking at it, and he doesn't look too chuffed about it either! Quite what his injury
was that needed that sort of treatment is unknown but under manager
Herbert Chapman the Gunners were the top club in the country at the time and were innovators of many things that are normal practice now. Thankfully not this one though.
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Mascots aren't a new invention - Amos helped Second Division Barnsley get to their first FA Cup Final in 1910. It is believed that Amos was the jockey and not the donkey. But you can't imagine any modern groundsman letting a donkey anywhere near a pitch nowadays. And I wonder how many of the people in the picture would have anticipated being looked at over a century later on this inter-web thing!

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Post by Ted Fenton » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:57 pm

Tom Finney ... one of my childhood heroes and one of the best English players I've ever had the privilege to watch.
Thanks for the memories CH.

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Post by cockney hammer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:24 pm

no problem ted anyone have any photos etc please feel free to add them here thanks steve

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Post by hayzelden » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:31 pm

Great pictures & stories, many thanks CH

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Post by ageing hammer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:43 pm

But you can't imagine any modern groundsman letting a donkey anywhere near a pitch nowadays.


We do, he's called Carroll. :D

Thanks Steve

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Post by vietnammer » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:38 am

Wasn't the ice-bath a bit risky? It's reckoned you're in trouble if you fall in water in Arctic regions. Modern H&S view I suppose. "When men were men" etc

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Post by Tenbury » Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:51 am

Seriously injured before a vital cup game back in the sixties, Roy Race was treated by some friendly gypsies, using just a barrel of iced water with a few mysterious herbs as an infusion.
He became fit overnight, and scored the winner for Melchester. (So it definitely works ).

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Post by Ted Fenton » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:28 am

vietnammer wrote:Wasn't the ice-bath a bit risky? It's reckoned you're in trouble if you fall in water in Arctic regions. Modern H&S view I suppose. "When men were men" etc
I've been to some saunas in Germany and Scandanavia where ice 'plunge' baths were similar to the one in the photo. Never tried it myself and I also passed on the birch twigs :)

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Post by cockney hammer » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:54 am

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Superstars never seem to be parted from their supercars...even when they move on to management! Back in the 1990s Newcastle United manager Kevin poses in this top-of-the-range sports car when welcoming two new players to St James' Park with club chairman Sir John Hall. And to be fair it was a brilliant bit of motivational thinking. Right at the start show new players what sort of car they will be able to buy if they are successful at the club and success will surely follow. And it did - in his four seasons as manager of Newcastle in the Premier League in the 1990s they finished in the top 6 in each season.
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Ivan Golac, in a sponsored car with his name on it. I can't see Jose or Arsene putting up with that can you! I must admit a manager having his name on a car isn't the best of security measures either. And the way that managers come and go would mean that the door would need a respray after not too long. That was the case with Ivan Golac at Plainmoor - Torquay were relegated at the end of the 1991/92 season and that ended his spell on the south coast, after just 19 matches in charge. Yugoslav Ivan Golac is probably best remembered as a popular player in his two spells at Southampton while as a manager things looked up for him after leaving Torquay when he moved north to boss Dundee United.
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A 15-year-old Bobby Charlton with his mother Cissie outside their Ashington home in 1953. And, bless her, his mum was putting some effort into that header wasn't she with that being a proper leather football! Cissie was in fact a member of a famous footballing family. Uncles Jack, George, Jim and Stan Milburn were all Football League players while cousin Jackie Milburn - 'Wor Jackie' - made his name playing for Newcastle United and England. Bobby was one of four brothers. He and older brother Jack were World Cup winners of course while Gordon had an unsuccessful trial period at Leeds United when Jack was at Elland Road. Gordon Charlton left it late to show his footballing skills - it seems he became a bit of a superstar in his 60's playing walking football in Rotherham.
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Paul Gascoigne kisses the hand of Princess Diana during the pre-match presentations
at Wembley for the 1991 FA Cup Final between Spurs and Nottingham Forest -
or was he just looking at her watch to see how long before kick-off! There was always going to be a humorous headline or two when those two met - sadly for both of them those humorous headlines are firmly in the past.
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Tony Harding heading Barnet's second goal in their 2-0 FA Amateur Cup Semi-Final replay victory over Walthamstow Avenue in 1959. The match was played at what looks like a full White Hart Lane with the drawn semi having been played at Arsenal's Highbury ground - but Barnet were beaten by Crook Town at Wembley in the final.

The FA Amateur Cup had been the only nationwide non-league cup competition from 1893 to the 1969-70 season (some of the Wembley finals had 100,000 attendances) when the FA Trophy was introduced for the professional non-leaguers. With the ending of the amateur status in football the last Amateur Cup final was played in 1973/74 with the FA Vase being introduced the following season with the stronger non-league sides entering the Trophy and the smaller clubs the Vase.

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Post by cockney hammer » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:22 pm

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Now that's what I call a bus trip! West Ham United Fans on their way to the first Wembley FA Cup final between Bolton and West Ham in 1923.
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World Cup winner Gordon Banks at his best saving a header from Hull City's Terry Neil when playing for Stoke City in an FA Cup quarter final tie in 1971. But was the ball over the line before he hooked the ball clear was the talk of the time! Stoke won the match 3-2 at Hull's former home at Boothferry Park. The crowd was 41,452 with gate receipts of £22,229 meaning an average admission price of a little over 50p - those were the days!
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Don't they look young!
A 14-year-old David Beckham signs schoolboy forms for Manchester United 1989 and starts the relationship with Alex Ferguson that was to last until Beckham left to join Real Madrid in 2003. Sir Alex retired as manager at Old Trafford ten years after that.
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West Ham captain Bobby Moore celebrating at Wembley following the Hammers
FA Cup final victory over Second Division Preston in 1964. I'm not quite sure if the hammer he is pictured with would get through the turnstiles at the London Stadium this season!

It was the first time that West Ham had won the FA Cup and was the first of three successful Wembley cup final wins for the England captain in three seasons. A year
later West Ham were back at Wembley for the European Cup Winners Cup against
TSV Munich while in 1966 it was that World Cup final victory over West Germany.
Great times.
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Kevin Keegan and family, a PR picture from the 1970s which was meant to show that footballers were just like the rest of us. It had to be said though that you probably
needed to be a football superstar if you were going to be able to afford the weekly shampoo bill that must have put a strain even on the Keegan finances!

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Post by Samba » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:03 pm

For some reason the early versions of 'The Hammerettes' were not that popular with fans.
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Post by Samba » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:06 pm

Back in the day, she was known as Cissie 'bite yer legs' Charlton.
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Post by Samba » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:09 pm

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Kevin Keegan and family, a PR picture from the 1970s which was meant to show that footballers were just like the rest of us. It had to be said though that you probably needed to be a football superstar if you were going to be able to afford the weekly shampoo bill that must have put a strain even on the Keegan finances!
And god knows how much it must have cost to shampoo the dogs, as well..

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Post by cockney hammer » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:03 am

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his picture was only taken 53 years ago; here you can see a section of the crowd at Wembley for the 1960 FA Cup final between Wolves and Blackburn. Many of the gentlemen look as if they are dressed for cricket at Lord's with their jackets, shirts and ties.
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Do you get the feeling this picture was taken in the days before tribalism in the game? This delightful snap shows Sheffield United supporters in London before the 1936 FA Cup final against Arsenal - more than 93,000 watched at Wembley as the Gunners won 1-0.
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It has been said by many that one of the major changes in football over the past 20 years is the number of women attending matches - I have seen many old pictures, including this one of Colchester fans watching their team play Norwich in the 1950s, that shows the game has been popular with female fans for a lot longer
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Millwall fans climb onto the floodlight posts and scoreboard to watch a match against Newcastle at The Den in 1957
more then likely trying to cut the ****ers down for scrap
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Post by mcan » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:44 pm

Samba wrote:Back in the day, she was known as Cissie 'bite yer legs' Charlton.
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I'm sure most have seen it, but the Bobby Charlton documentary from a few years ago is still one of my favourites.

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Post by DasNutNock » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:53 pm

Ted Fenton wrote:Tom Finney ... one of my childhood heroes and one of the best English players I've ever had the privilege to watch.
Thanks for the memories CH.
What was he like? As a player, I mean.

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Post by Ted Fenton » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:50 am

Thanks CH, prompted happy memories of Finney.

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Post by DasNutNock » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:24 am

Yeah, okay. He weren’t bad, was he :D

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Post by cockney hammer » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:20 am

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This charming 1933 picture shows the England team at London's Victoria station before departing for the journey to Rome and a friendly with Italy. The game ended in a 1-1 draw, with the England goal scored by Arsenal great Cliff Bastin
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Five Chelsea players peer out of a train window as they leave London's Liverpool Street station for an FA Cup third tie at Norwich in early 1936. Top row: Vic Woodley, Joe Bambrick, Dick Spence. Bottom row: Bill Barraclough and William Mitchell. The match in Norfolk ended in a 1-1 draw, with Chelsea winning the replay 3-1
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It's full steam ahead for this Manchester United supporter as he heads down on the train to London for an FA Cup fourth round tie at Arsenal in 1937. He may not have been quite so happy on the way home however, with the Gunners thrashing United 5-0.
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Tooting & Mitcham pair Ted Murphy and Brian Bennett receiving confirmation that their FA Cup third round replay at Nottingham Forest in 1959 had been postponed thanks to this notice at St Pancras station. Much more romantic than Twitter, don't you think?
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Preston and Huddersfield fans arrive on trains at Wembley for the 1938 FA Cup final. The station looks remarkably similar to today's Wembley Park, which is still used by millions of fans for matches at the new stadium. North End claimed glory at Wembley in 1938, winning 1-0 thanks to a penalty from George Mutch

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