Hammers United launch campaign to force dialogue with the Club

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Post by SammyLeeWasOffside » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:55 am

I would imagine his starting belief is that the osb is that supporters association.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:32 am

From LLTB
Are West Ham a tourist club?

West Ham have always been known as a traditional working-class football club.

Originally known as Thames Ironworks F.C., factory owners gave birth to the club and helped to create its long history. West Ham’s working-class routes were maintained through the location of the Boleyn Ground and the area of East London.

The traditions and proud heritage soon changed in the summer of 2016. West Ham said farewell to their beloved stadium on Green Street of 112 years and relocated to the London Stadium in Stratford.

Co-chairmen David Gold and David Sullivan maintained that moving to a new stadium was essential if West Ham were to progress and compete with the bigger clubs. This required a move from West Ham to Stratford, as well as “a world-class squad.” However, it has not been plain sailing since then.

The main difference between the Boleyn Ground and the London Stadium is their relationship to West Ham’s roots. The Boleyn Ground represented the working-class roots of West Ham, given its appearance and that the fans are mainly from the working areas of East London. The London Stadium represents the commercial and business aspects of football, as it is based next to a shopping centre and was used primarily for the 2012 Olympic Games. The commercial side of the deal is evident; the owners have used the money from demolishing and refurbishing the Boleyn Ground (the land was sold for roughly £8,000,000) and appear to have used the fans’s money to benefit themselves.

Great piece and true..

Some will say "move with the times"
And they are entitled to say that but
I believe that Brady was brought in to transform OUR club into a global brand
And get rid of our Boleyn heritage and people over the age of 45 are ignored

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Post by Odessa » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:55 am

Excuse my ignorance but what is LLTB?

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Post by rottiel » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:58 am

Odessa wrote:Excuse my ignorance but what is LLTB?
Long Live The Boleyn

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Post by Northbank Bar » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:52 am

Many of West Ham’s fans groups have united in opposition to West Ham’s proposed partnership with Socios.This scheme would see further monetisation of the Supporters without consultation.Supporters should not have to pay to have a say.

Hammers United are suggesting that all West Ham Fans Groups against West Ham’s proposed partnership with Socios support an Online Petition.If we all work together the response should be overwhelming.

We will make contact with other groups to discuss and progress.

Thank You.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:13 am

So this is our big chance.
We ALL need to get behind this petition when it is launched.
No need to worry about who launched it, how or why. Just sign and back the campaign against Socios. This is the opening salvo of a long campaign. We simply must show that we are serious and that we will oppose what we feel isn’t in the clubs best interest. From here on in it’s up to you all. Make a stand here and it will possibly be the route to change.
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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:25 pm

We have looked into West Ham’s much maligned Season ticket waiting list comparing it to the other London Premier League Clubs.Most of you will know it costs £10.00 plus £2.00 booking fee to go on the list.This is refunded off the price of season ticket if and when a season ticket is allocated.West Ham also run a membership scheme whereby Claret Members pay £42.00 each season .The primary benefit of Claret membership is ‘priority’in buying match tickets.It is completely independent to the Season ticket waiting list.
Let us compare West Ham’s Membership/Season Ticket waiting list to other Premiership London Clubs:-
Arsenal.Red Membership is £34 each season.Season ticket waiting list £12.00 for 3 seasons.This is refunded off the price of a season ticket if and when a season ticket is allocated.
Chelsea.Membership is £28.00 per season.There is no season ticket waiting list.Members build up loyalty points towards applying for a season ticket.
Crystal Palace.No waiting list.On July 22nd season tickets still available to anyone .
Spurs.One Hotspur Membership is £48.00 each season.There is no season ticket waiting list.One Hotspur Membership can be upgraded by £5.00 to £53.00 for One Hotspur plus one membership.One Hotspur plus one members build up loyalty points towards applying for a season ticket.
Watford.Season ticket waiting list is free.It opens in September for 2020/21 season.Membership is also free.Members build up loyalty points towards applying for a season ticket.
It is difficult to compare like for like,also although we have done our best it is difficult to collate this information accurately.One must also factor in that demand at some clubs exceeds that at others,whilst some clubs are considerably more successful than others .We will leave you to weigh up whether West Ham’s fans get a good deal or not in relation to the other London clubs.
The bone of contention is not perhaps so much the price but the quality and indeed the fairness of service West Ham fans receive in return for their money:-
Season Ticket holders have been offered extra season tickets.-effectively meaning they can get friends and family to bypass those already in the queue,surely this cannot be fair.
Some who have been in the queue a short while are being offered tickets in front of those who have been on the list much longer.Some who already have season tickets are down as still being on the waiting list and being offered tickets and some who have asked to come off the list are nevertheless being offered tickets.In short,the list is a shambles.
Perhaps the most baffling thing of all to our supporters is that the club seem unable-or unwilling to produce a list of exactly where applicants are on the list.-When researching this we noticed that Spurs supporters have only to enter their membership number to get their position on the list.
Of course supporters have been moaning about this for a long while now.There is no point moaning about it more.-What we are all doing is going round in circles as every month or so some bright spark reminds everyone of the problems we already all know about.What we have to do is challenge the club on this and get them to get their house in order and create an efficient system.-Surely this is not too much to ask for.-surely it cannot be difficult.
We will be going into this in more detail and will be writing to the club asking for them to look at this as a matter of priority.We will also be drawing the matter to the attention of the Football Supporters Federation.
Thank You.
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Post by Kialos » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:57 pm

Looking at what other clubs offer and charge is going down a blind alley IMO.

This is a page updated 28/06/2019 from the website where at least two statements are made that do not appear to be bearing up to much scrutiny

https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/201 ... iting-list" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


This does not need to be a complicated exercise.

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Post by e17 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:45 pm

“Season Ticket holders have been offered extra season tickets.-effectively meaning they can get friends and family to bypass those already in the queue,surely this cannot be fair.”
The above bit ^

Marlow: Are you suggesting that people in the waiting list shouldn’t be allowed to also buy tickets for their kids or brothers or family, etc? Are you suggesting there should be a set limit?

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Post by Phil S » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 pm

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Not if they're not on the waiting list, no

People have paid money to go on the list and should not be bypassed..that isn't fair*

* WHUFC seem to like unfair though
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Post by Kialos » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:11 pm

The thing is e17 it states in the advertising that the only way to secure a season ticket is to pay your tenner and join the list.

We all know that's not the case, so the way the waiting list is being advertised is misleading IMO. You can secure a ticket if you know an existing ST holder and we've had instances of the club offering STs to people who have not applied to go on the waiting list.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:48 am

Marlow: Are you suggesting that people in the waiting list shouldn’t be allowed to also buy tickets for their kids or brothers or family, etc? Are you suggesting there should be a set limit?
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Yes.. that’s exactly what I’m suggesting.
Unless of course all are in the same position on the list having joined at the same time. I have a season ticket but if I was number 17843 on the list I would expect to get an offer of one before people who “jump the queue”
It’s like the Founders thing which saw many tickets falling into the hands of people who had no intention of attending or supporting WH whilst many fams who may have bought their first ST were locked out and forced to join the list.
In my book these things are just not fair.
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Post by rottiel » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:20 am

Marlow Vaderman wrote:Yes.. that’s exactly what I’m suggesting.
Unless of course all are in the same position on the list having joined at the same time. I have a season ticket but if I was number 17843 on the list I would expect to get an offer of one before people who “jump the queue”
It’s like the Founders thing which saw many tickets falling into the hands of people who had no intention of attending or supporting WH whilst many fams who may have bought their first ST were locked out and forced to join the list.
In my book these things are just not fair.
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I'm not sure how anyone can not agree with this I really can't.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:42 am

From Hammers United Committee

As you know we are seeking talks with West Ham to discuss the Stewarding at the London Stadium.

We will also be introducing our own initiative before the start of the new season.

In essence we will be circulating guidelines on how our members should deal with innapropriate Stewarding.We will also have a dedicated EMail line whereby our members can report innapropriate or unfair stewarding to Hammers United.We will then seek advice from our legal team and advise our members accordingly.

We are extremely hopeful that this initiative will go a long way to safeguarding our members against any unfair or unwarranted action.

More details will be posted soon.

Lee Rogers(Joint Secretary)

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Post by Northbank Bar » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:37 pm

Just to draw attention to our new website. http://www.hammersunited.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Thanks to all concerned for their hard work.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:51 pm

Oh yes..
The website looks great
The hard work continues and the new season is almost upon us.
Come and find us and have a chat.. we will be about at most if not all games..
Join us..
If you already have joined, tell all your friends.
Together we can force change.

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Post by loxfordhammer » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:10 pm

Hammers United Stewarding Advice and Help
The likelihood of you needing this advice is low. However, we thought it would be helpful to compile some helpful hints in the event you are involved in an incident with stewards either at the London Stadium or at an away game.
In the event you are, it’s important you remain calm and polite at all times. Shouting and swearing will not help your cause nor is it going to persuade a steward to change their minds. Fold your arms or keep them by your sides or behind your back so a steward cannot accuse you of being physically threatening.
You are obliged to respond to the reasonable requests of a match day steward and, like it or not, they do have power over you and can use reasonable force when required.
If you or your mates become involved in an incident, the following should assist.
1.Always record any incident but be wary not to antagonise a situation. If you can't film, then an audio recording is the next best thing. A steward can ask you to stop filming but should not take your phone.
2.Write up an account as soon as possible afterwards while your memory is still fresh.
- ask witnesses for their personal details in case they are needed
- if injuries are caused take photographs
- if medical assistance is required, keep records
- the clubs complaints procedure is documented on their website.
3. Put your complaint in writing to the club and ask that any CCTV, including from body worn cameras (if applicable) is preserved as you may exercise your right to submit a Subject Access Request for any footage. (See point 8).
It is possible that the club will phone you in response to your initial complaint. Take notes of that call and ask for the email address of the person you have spoken to so you can – and this is important – follow up that call and formally ask that the key points from that conversation are confirmed in writing.
In the event a complaint is escalated or you are not happy with what the club are saying, it is important that there is a paper trail.
4.All stewards should wear an ID number or SIA badge. Take those details, again this is important so stewards can be easily identified.
5.Stewards can use reasonable force in certain circumstances.
6.Under the ground regulations supporters are obliged to adhere to reasonable requests. These may include stewards asking a supporter for their personal details. It's a grey area as to whether or not supporters should oblige to that but consider that a lack of co-operation may count against you.
7.A season ticket is the property of the club. If asked to surrender it, a supporter should oblige.
8 Supporters can use Data Protection to ask the club to disclose what information they hold about them. There is advice on how to make requests on the ICOs website see here. They club can’t just refuse a request. They should clarify what exemptions they are relying on.
We have set up an Email address for our members to contact us should they need assistance in approaching the club. Our committee and legal team, with assistance from the Football Supporters Association, will do our best to help including drafting letters for supporters. There will of course be cases when our members have to accept that they were in the wrong and that stewards were justified in their actions. We not here to judge you but to help and all we ask for in return is complete honesty. All information received will be treated in strict confidence and not shared with any external party unless specific consent is given.
Our email address is stewarding@hammersunited.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Members can also action through our website by using the form in the stewarding section on http://www.hammersunited.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Football Supporters Association have solicitors who offer initial advice free of charge to supporters we refer to them. Again, all information is treated in strict confidence.
We hope this initiative will be of assistance to our members .
We would like to place on record our thanks to Amanda Jacks at the Football Supporters Association for her assistance in this initiative.
Come on You Irons.
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Post by Kialos » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:36 pm

That's a really useful post :thup:

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Re: Stewarding

Post by SammyLeeWasOffside » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:54 am

loxfordhammer wrote:Hammers United Stewarding Advice and Help
:thup: great stuff.
Imo this is the sort of thing you should be doing. All the tub thumping 'boots on the ground' stuff about getting the board out ought to be left alone. The club are going to ignore you in favour of the OSB, thats not going to change, so ignore them. Go around them and do things that help fans through other means such as this.

It seems as though the FSA and FSF are more keen to talk to you guys and WHUISA than the clubs puppets so use that. You are outside the club but in term of fans feeling are more official that the OSB. Campaigns against the club will get you nowhere with this lot so don't waste time and resources on it, do things like this that offer advice and support. Build that trust and you will sidestep the OSB with fans without the OSB even realising it. Fight a guerrilla war rather than trying to march in and occupy the OS. Sadly you can't influence the club but you can help supporters.

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Post by GaryP » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:54 am

Heres the link to the actual form....

http://hammersunited.com/stewarding/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Help Form is underneath the article at the bottom of the page.

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