VAR - yes or no ?

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Graza » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:26 am

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:47 am
Offside Review Process.

One still TV image of the moment the ball appears to leave the players foot is presented to 3 people in the 'VAR Booth'.

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While I agree in principal the chosen frame then becomes key, and would need to be cut pretty quickly as well. It leaves it all open to the usual bias.

When looking at offside you would effectively need cameras every half yard both sides of the pitch at all times along with a sensor in the ball that could tell when impact had finished (i.e the moment it started in another direction) and it all linked to show the exact field position of everyone on the pitch. This is the only way to get it to 100%.

For now though you are right, someone has to make a judgement on when the ball is considered kicked (preferably while just looking directly at the man kicking without the runners visible to that person), you then take that time code and pull the best image you have of the runner and a decision is made.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:53 pm

VAR is alive and kicking says David Gold
The Premier League will lead a consultation on how well the video assistant referee system is working but it is still "alive and kicking", says West Ham co-chairman David Gold.

At a meeting of Premier League clubs on Thursday, referees' chief Mike Riley gave a full appraisal of VAR, which has caused frustration and controversy since its implementation at the start of the season.

"There is not going to be any significant change this season," said Gold.

Aston Villa chief executive Christian Purslow said the clubs had "grave concerns" and VAR had to be a "whole lot better".

Riley spoke for just under two hours at what was described as a fractious four-and-a-half-hour meeting before it was decided no substantive changes would be made this season for fear it would affect the integrity of the competition.

"There was a lot of debate but this is a brand new system, so we just have to be a bit more patient," added Gold.

"What I can say is that VAR is alive and kicking."

In a statement, the Premier League said: "Research will now take place with fans, and other relevant stakeholders, to understand their views on how the application of VAR could be best improved."

Purslow added: "Clubs have got grave concerns but so has everybody in the room. We've had a very robust discussion.

"The message has got through to the league and to the referees' association that fans are unhappy, and many stakeholders in the game think we have to do a whole lot better.

"I expect to see real improvements in the speed of decisions, consistency of which is what everybody craves, and I think above all else for those of us in the stadia we want much better communication about what's going on before, during and after.


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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by V-M » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:30 pm

VAR will ever be 100% accurate, there are too many connotations in the game to make that even remotely possible.

So draw the benchmark at the on field officials. True, there will be a few more mistakes but at least the game can carry on breathing and the match day experience will survive.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by davids cross » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:43 pm

Football is also so much about building up pressure in a game. Searching for an equaliser or a winning goal.

At this point, speed of play and energy ....and doing everything with ultra speed is absolutely vital. The crowd is motivated, the players are going at full tilt.

Then, ......there is a 3 minute wait to see if VAR has missed a handball in the area.......3 minutes !!!!!.......That's huge in that moment of outright attack and pressure that you have built as a team.

26 replays and 3 minutes later.......no penalty awarded. The corner that was given descends into nothing. Momentum is lost from fans and players.

Why don't we all take time out to boil an egg and cut up some soldiers while the VAR decision is being made.

Farce, Farce, Farce.......Give me back the **** refs instead. Ebb and flow is why we watch this game.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by V-M » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:04 pm

davids cross wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:43 pm
Football is also so much about building up pressure in a game. Searching for an equaliser or a winning goal.

At this point, speed of play and energy ....and doing everything with ultra speed is absolutely vital. The crowd is motivated, the players are going at full tilt.

Then, ......there is a 3 minute wait to see if VAR has missed a handball in the area.......3 minutes !!!!!.......That's huge in that moment of outright attack and pressure that you have built as a team.

26 replays and 3 minutes later.......no penalty awarded. The corner that was given descends into nothing. Momentum is lost from fans and players.

Why don't we all take time out to boil an egg and cut up some soldiers while the VAR decision is being made.

Farce, Farce, Farce.......Give me back the **** refs instead. Ebb and flow is why we watch this game.
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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Denbighammer » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:06 pm

Spot on dc :thup:

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Albie Beck » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:27 pm

dc - that should be stapled to Mike Riley's head... but they'd have to get it out of his arse first.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by OFT » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:51 pm

davids cross wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:43 pm


Farce, Farce, Farce.......Give me back the **** refs instead. Ebb and flow is why we watch this game.
To be fair, we've still got the **** refs it's just they're aided and abetted by some **** technology.

Anyroads, Great post dc :thup:

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Vic_Watson » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:52 pm

How VAR is getting on in other Euro leagues:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50392207

Generally seems to be better in the second season - although France sounds worse than us.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Pentonville » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:32 am

Official criticism of VAR errors

This reported this evening, yet I thought that the PL had drawn a line under the criticism of VAR last week?

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Paolopaul » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:56 pm

Watching motd and it's another farce for VAR.

It has to go or at least be changed.

I see Southampton scored from a free kick where the ball was moving - but VAR is "not allowed" to check this. Madness.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by bonzosbeard » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:33 am

The non corner v Burnley. The ridiculous yellow card v Spurs for Diop. What about the push on our player in the penalty box today?? By the way no less than the one in the Palace v Liverpool game.

My Liverpool supporting mate (who watched our game) reckoned our players should have put pressure on the referee by drawing tv sets in thin air to put pressure on them to review it.

Before we go down that road why don't we just forget all about it. Or is that what they wanted us to think all along....

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:43 am

Aurier all over Snonddy's back - seen 'em given for much much less..... Soton against Arsenal today, slight pull - penalty.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by bowltorious » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:30 am

LiVARpool getting a scandalous decision in thier favour again, been happening for two seasons straight, becoming ridiculous. Brighton don't get a penalty against Leicester to equalise but Leicester get a soft as **** one not overturned? Sterling offside by an inch, Wolves disallowed despite being onside. Thats just this week. VAR has got a few things right but for the majoirty has been awful, get rid.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Maefteda » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:34 pm



So much for the notion that "with VAR we'll finally get decisions going our way". Fans of all 20 teams feel the same way, which is partly why it's so easy to convince people that VAR is the answer. It's not.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by sendô » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:12 pm

davids cross wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:43 pm
Football is also so much about building up pressure in a game. Searching for an equaliser or a winning goal.

At this point, speed of play and energy ....and doing everything with ultra speed is absolutely vital. The crowd is motivated, the players are going at full tilt.

Then, ......there is a 3 minute wait to see if VAR has missed a handball in the area.......3 minutes !!!!!.......That's huge in that moment of outright attack and pressure that you have built as a team.

26 replays and 3 minutes later.......no penalty awarded. The corner that was given descends into nothing. Momentum is lost from fans and players.

Why don't we all take time out to boil an egg and cut up some soldiers while the VAR decision is being made.

Farce, Farce, Farce.......Give me back the **** refs instead. Ebb and flow is why we watch this game.
Amen to that DC,

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by ShanghaiHammer » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:47 pm

The main reason that var is stupid is because the players don't play 'skins'/ half naked, so trying to millimetrically judge their armpit or shoulder-arm dividing skin cell is impossible. So how can it possibly make a decision?

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Graza » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:15 pm

https://www.sportbible.com/football/new ... n-20191205

So it's happened now, ball up Carroll flicks on lino flags, Shelvey takes the ball on, ref doesn't blow, everyone else stops and he slots an unopposed goal.

This was always the worry for me with VAR and flagging, when the flag goes up players stop believing the decision has been made, should they play to the whistle? Absolutely. Do they? Do they expect to? Evidently not.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Vic_Watson » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:53 pm

Linos are pretty pointless now if VAR is checking every offside. They just cause confusion as the Shelvey incident proves.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Samba » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:32 am

Graza wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:15 pm
https://www.sportbible.com/football/new ... n-20191205
So it's happened now, ball up Carroll flicks on lino flags, Shelvey takes the ball on, ref doesn't blow, everyone else stops and he slots an unopposed goal.
This was always the worry for me with VAR and flagging, when the flag goes up players stop believing the decision has been made, should they play to the whistle? Absolutely. Do they? Do they expect to? Evidently not.
I just hope our players saw & learnt from this. Play to the bloody whistle.
Players shouldn't be looking at flags anyway.
Remember when Barthez tried to con Di Canio in the cup game up there? Paolo was too cute for him.

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