VAR - yes or no ?

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Crossd_Hammrs » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am

Oldammer wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:22 am
If he's not sure, the original decision stands.
The problem with this is that it can only apply if a decision wasn't made (or a decision was made that allowed play to continue rightly or wrongly).
The ref can't blow and stop play for a free-kick, penalty, red card etc then get told by VAR that it clearly wasn't a foul and that play should have continued, so refs often don't make the calls until VAR has checked them first.
Likewise with the offside argument - people say the if the offside isn't obvious to VAR then they should go with teh on-filed decision - but there isn't an on-field decision to go with because the linesman can't flag unless it's absolutely irrefutably clearly offside. If he flags then VAR shows it was actually, even marginally, onside then they've wrongly stopped a legit attack. In one of our games, a lino flagged our opponents offside twice - incorrectly. Fortunately for the other team they fluffed both chances immediately anyway so it didn't make a difference that time, but if one of them had held the ball up and the ref blew...

So saying stick with the on-field decision is a bit flawed because VAR has altered the way those decisions are made in the first place.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Big George » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:20 pm

This is from YouGov who claimed 85% of supporters wanted the LS move so take it as you will.


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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Oldammer » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:56 pm

Crossd_Hammrs wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am
The problem with this is that it can only apply if a decision wasn't made (or a decision was made that allowed play to continue rightly or wrongly).
The ref can't blow and stop play for a f***, penalty, red card etc then get told by VAR that it clearly wasn't a foul and that play should have continued, so refs often don't make the calls until VAR has checked them first.
Likewise with the offside argument - people say the if the offside isn't obvious to VAR then they should go with teh on-filed decision - but there isn't an on-field decision to go with because the linesman can't flag unless it's absolutely irrefutably clearly offside. If he flags then VAR shows it was actually, even marginally, onside then they've wrongly stopped a legit attack. In one of our games, a lino flagged our opponents offside twice - incorrectly. Fortunately for the other team they fluffed both chances immediately anyway so it didn't make a difference that time, but if one of them had held the ball up and the ref blew...

So saying stick with the on-field decision is a bit flawed because VAR has altered the way those decisions are made in the first place.
I'm just talking about goals, there have been so many contencious goals disallowed it's not funny and when you're looking at a replay in slow motion for a few minutes, it's not 'real'.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by ageing hammer » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:16 pm

Just watched a video on SSN of the top ten most controversial VAR decisions.

Guess what?

West Ham are not in any of them.

FFS we could have our OWN top ten we have been robbed so much yet surprise surprise nothing to be seen here.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Graza » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:19 pm

ageing hammer wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:16 pm
Just watched a video on SSN of the top ten most controversial VAR decisions.

Guess what?

West Ham are not in any of them.

FFS we could have our OWN top ten we have been robbed so much yet surprise surprise nothing to be seen here.
It's only controversial if it negatively effects one of their favourites

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VAR again

Post by MK-Hammer » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:53 pm

Another ridiculous VAR decision in the Wolves v Leicester game ....apparently you can be offside from a corner even if the ball is played back ?

It’s not football anymore

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Re: VAR again

Post by aaronhammer » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:02 pm

This one for me just shows again how much the law of offside needs to change because it’s not correct. Like the handball decisions where goals have been scored, it’s a law issue rather than VAR.

A separate argument for the fact that it again was marginal and VAR is likely the only way it would be spotted - that’s where VAR is wrong.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Paolo's Piranhas » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:05 pm

VAR's not the problem. It's the bent bastards operating it.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Ironing Board » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm

That result keeps us just 12 points behind Wolves - they’ll be looking over their shoulders! :lol:

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Re: VAR again

Post by Colours never run » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:22 pm

Paolo's Piranhas wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:05 pm
VAR's not the problem. It's the bent bastards operating it.
Which makes the VAR system a problem. Because of the way it's set up, it was always going to go this way and will continue to go this way as long as anonymous unaccountable geeks are in charge of it.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by bristolhammerfc » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:51 pm

Ruining the game on TV today. Spurs seem to get everything reviewed and Villa nothing.

Hold ups every bloody ten minutes

Ruining football

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:53 pm

That was a penalty though.
Just a shame they have so many other stoppages for it as that was relatively painless in terms of time taken

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by DM » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:13 pm

Would Mane's goal yesterday have stood if it had been a West Ham player? Probably not, bent bastards is right.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by ornchurch ammer » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:17 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:53 pm
That was a penalty though.
Just a shame they have so many other stoppages for it as that was relatively painless in terms of time taken
Looked to me that he was on his way down before any contact. Same as a lot of other definite penalties.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by continental skills » Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:29 pm

Don't give a damn about Wolves, but that offside call denying them a good goal against Leicester was a disgraceful decision.

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by aaronhammer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:26 pm

Not sure how Maguire hasn’t been sent off from a VAR review then. Kicked out at Batshuayi clear as day.


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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Ben » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:18 pm

Chelsea goal ruled out for a push, but a Man U player pushed him into the other Man Utd player :eh:

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Paolo's Piranhas » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:19 pm

It's almost like the officials 'want' MU to win this game..

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Re: VAR - yes or no ?

Post by Rasp » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:26 pm

Maguire scores shouldn't even be on the pitch...UTD **** fest...

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