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Re: Bury FC: Dawson vs Dale (non WHU)

Post by DaveWHU1964 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:54 am

Absolutely choked for Bury and their fans. Proper fans most definitely not in it for the glory and they've had their love taken away from them. It's sickening.

It's going to be even worse when Bolton inevitably go. Some hate them because of what they were in the 2000s but that is to ignore the past of a club with a huge, and absolutely historic-in-the-game tradition. Their demise will be an absolute body blow. Still, there'll always be Super ****ing Sunday.
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Re: Bury FC: Dawson vs Dale (non WHU)

Post by S-H » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:56 am

Hasn't Dale got leukaemia?

What was he honestly hoping to get out of this?

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Re: Bury FC: Dawson vs Dale (non WHU)

Post by thespider » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 am

I just looked up West Ham v Bury on the Soccerbase.com head to head and this is how we've fared against them over the years. Did anyone go to these games?
Interestingly enough the number of wins is exactly the same for both clubs (23) and 11 draws

English League Cup Mo 30Jan 1984
Bury 1 - 2 West Ham

English League Cup Mo 30Jan 1984
West Ham 10 - 0 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 13Apr 1957
West Ham 1 - 0 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 01Dec 1956
Bury 3 - 3 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Mo 19Mar 1956
West Ham 3 - 2 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 24Sep 1955
Bury 1 - 1 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 23Apr 1955
Bury 4 - 1 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 04Dec 1954
West Ham 3 - 3 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 10Apr 1954
Bury 2 - 0 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 07Nov 1953
West Ham 5 - 0 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 03Jan 1953
West Ham 3 - 2 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 30Aug 1952
Bury 1 - 1 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) We 29Aug 1951
Bury 4 - 0 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Th 23Aug 1951
West Ham 1 - 1 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 03Mar 1951
West Ham 2 - 3 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 14Oct 1950
Bury 3 - 0 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 18Mar 1950
West Ham 4 - 0 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 29Oct 1949
Bury 3 - 1 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 22Jan 1949
West Ham 2 - 1 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 11Sep 1948
Bury 2 - 0 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 07Feb 1948
West Ham 2 - 0 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 20Sep 1947
Bury 1 - 2 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Mo 07Apr 1947
West Ham 3 - 3 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Fr 04Apr 1947
Bury 4 - 0 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 14Jan 1939
West Ham 0 - 0 Bury

English Div 2 (old) Sa 10Sep 1938
Bury 1 - 1 West Ham

English Div 2 (old) Sa 16Apr 1938
West Ham 3 - 1 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 04Dec 1937
Bury 4 - 3 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 23Jan 1937
West Ham 5 - 1 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 19Sep 1936
Bury 1 - 1 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 01Feb 1936
West Ham 6 - 0 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 28Sep 1935
Bury 3 - 0 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) We 26Dec 1934
West Ham 3 - 0 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Tu 25Dec 1934
Bury 2 - 4 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 17Mar 1934
West Ham 3 - 1 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 04Nov 1933
Bury 2 - 1 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 11Feb 1933
Bury 6 - 1 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 01Oct 1932
West Ham 0 - 1 Bury


English Div 1 (old) Sa 05Jan 1929
West Ham 2 - 3 Bury


English Div 1 (old) Sa 01Sep 1928
Bury 0 - 3 West Ham


English Div 1 (old) Sa 25Feb 1928
West Ham 1 - 2 Bury


English Div 1 (old) Sa 15Oct 1927
Bury 3 - 1 West Ham


English Div 1 (old) Sa 26Feb 1927
Bury 1 - 2 West Ham


English Div 1 (old) Sa 09Oct 1926
West Ham 1 - 2 Bury


English Div 1 (old) Sa 01May 1926
West Ham 0 - 2 Bury


English Div 1 (old) Sa 19Dec 1925
Bury 4 - 1 West Ham


English Div 1 (old) Sa 14Feb 1925
Bury 4 - 2 West Ham


English Div 1 (old) Sa 11Oct 1924
West Ham 1 - 1 Bury



English Div 2 (old) Mo 02Apr 1923
Bury 2 - 5 West Ham



English Div 2 (old) Fr 30Mar 1923
West Ham 0 - 0 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Tu 27Dec 1921
West Ham 3 - 2 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Mo 26Dec 1921
Bury 0 - 1 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) Sa 19Feb 1921
West Ham 0 - 1 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 12Feb 1921
Bury 1 - 0 West Ham


English Div 2 (old) We 11Feb 1920
Bury 1 - 0 West Ham


English FA Cup Sa 31Jan 1920
West Ham 6 - 0 Bury


English Div 2 (old) Sa 24Jan 1920
West Ham 1 - 0 Bury

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Re: Bury FC: Dawson vs Dale (non WHU)

Post by Ozza » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:19 am

S-H wrote:Hasn't Dale got leukaemia?

What was he honestly hoping to get out of this?
Terminal apparently, he was hoping to buy the club for £1 and flip the club for a decent return, looks like he got greedy didn’t look under the floorboards and found a shed load of debt, which means his return is seriously compromised I’d imagine the return he would get is worth less than the site is worth to a developer. (That’s what I’ve picked out anyway)

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Post by S-H » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:21 am

Cheers Ozza, that's crazy.

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Post by AnthraxDave » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:29 am

Similar thing happened with Hereford back in 2014; Bought by a dodgy owner, massive debt, a large asset (football ground) in prime commercial redevelopment location.

We formed ourselves into an army of spoilers and took on the dodgy owners and deliberately made the club go bust in order to reform as a fan-owned club a few divisions down and have attempted to make our way back.

The Fit & Proper Persons test is not worth the paper it is written on, and does not even come into effect if a club is taken over mid-season.

The real battle for Bury fans now will be to stop the twat Dale from trying to redevelop Gigg Lane into a housing estate. That is what our dodgy owners wanted to do with Edgar Street. Pressure on the Council at every level.

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Post by YorksHammer » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:47 am

People asking what Dale hoped to get out of the club. He bought it for £1 and was demanding over £2m to sell it, for a start. He sold the debt cheap (£70k) to a family member in the hope that they would then get a buy out which paid it off, for a second - which, by the way, was shady as **** because they established the company in his son in law's name 2 days before buying the debt, which subsequently a day or so later gave them a deciding vote in the CVA which would have earned them a quarter of the original debt value (£1.75m) - so they'd have made an enormous profit and kept it in the family. Surprise surprise, that CVA passed.

Yes, there were problems in the root of Bury, going back years, and not least with the previous owner Stewart Day mortgaging the ground to the tune of £1m at 10% interest per month, compounding up to 138% per annum - nobody needs to tell you that that's a stupid business decision, and maybe Day was an idiot, maybe he was desperate, maybe he was a desperate idiot. As I understand it as well, Day was effectively using Bury to prop up his own property investments. I don't think he's blameless in all of this at all.

But Dale appears from the outside to only ever in this to flip the club and make him, and his family, a quick buck. He tried to take advantage of an awful situation and attempted to bleed the club dry through running it into the ground. He and his family are despicable pieces of work and if there was any justice in the world someone will be knocking on their doors today and demanding that they pay every penny of the wages owed to not just the players but the staff behind the scenes who are now losing their jobs.

Blame the EFL as well, because they have openly admitted they didn't do due diligence on Dale before he took on the club which would have demonstrated his atrocious business history. But the EFL, like Day above, were desperate to keep Bury going and acted without undertaking the relevant checks - I suspect if they hadn't allowed the sale all that would have happened is the process would have been accelerated.

Ultimately, there was a history of mismanagement at Bury, but Dale's whole game here seemed to be to make money out of a minuscule investment.

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Re: Bury FC: Dawson vs Dale (non WHU)

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am

Lakeside Hammer wrote:A terrible terrible day for football,a sport with so much money rolling around it left right and centre.
Disgusting and Sickening how this could happen. :cry:

Yeah, cause I'm sure everyone on here would be "dsigusted and sickened" if it were Sheff Utd.

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Post by Faithless » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:59 am

From the beebs coverage:
Absolutely not, Premiership clubs should not have stepped in, they're not charities! Does it happen anywhere else in business? Only if they are a viable concern: Bury is financially ruined, no-one stepped in to save Woolworths because their debt was huge and they were not an attractive purchase. Same with Bury, and many more likely in the future. It's inevitable and sadly a part of life.

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Companies go out of business everyday. If the outgoings are greater than income then it is not a viable concern, football clubs are no different so why should they be treated any differently? Maybe there are simply too many football clubs, just like high street shops?

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Some people just don't understand Football or it's value to a community.
Francis Edwards: How is this the fault of the EFL? Blaming the wrong people will not help - if clubs act up and do not obey rules that other clubs can clearly follow them they must suffer the consequences
And some it seems don't understand what a regulator is supposed to do...

Very sad news for Bury FC, regroup, reform and come back stronger.

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Post by Faithless » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:05 am

westham,eggyandchips wrote:Yeah, cause I'm sure everyone on here would be "dsigusted and sickened" if it were Sheff Utd.
I would. Mostly for the same reasons as I feel sad for Bury FC supporters today but also because we'd lose a "rival" and that's what makes football special; beating a dreaded foe. Honestly who isn't looking forward to the games against Sheff Utd?

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Post by Rocket » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:07 am

A very sad state of affairs that should never be allowed to happen. I would be beside myself with grief if this were us. I am sure that a good number of fans would 'love' to see this happen to certain clubs, but all I would say is a) imagine it were us and b) imagine never playing Tottenham/Chelsea/Millwall etc. again.

The sooner the bottom falls out of football, the better, as I unfortunately can't envisage another scenario that will force the authorities to take the action that is required.

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Post by S-H » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:19 am

I know that I shouldn't be.. but I'm listening to Jim white this morning on Talk Sport..

What a prick.

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Post by MilkyBarKid16 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:22 am

It's such a sad state of affairs for both clubs. All that history down the drain thanks to financial mismanagement and poor regulation by the EFL. Don't forget, this is the organisation that held a cup draw in the supermarket car park.

What happens to a football club's ground when the club gets liquidated? Would Dale and Anderson take ownership of Gigg Lane and the UOB Stadium?

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Post by ironilunga » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:35 am

Rocket wrote:I am sure that a good number of fans would 'love' to see this happen to certain clubs, but all I would say is a) imagine it were us and b) imagine never playing Tottenham/Chelsea/Millwall etc. again. .
Yep, be careful what you wish for. The thought of our rivals demise is much better than the reality. We all wanted Darth Vader to be defeated but when his helmet came off and he was revealed to look a bit like a shriveled Tony Pulis, well, it was kind of sad. . .

Edit: probably more Russell Slade

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Post by Rocket » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:42 am

MilkyBarKid16 wrote: What happens to a football club's ground when the club gets liquidated? Would Dale and Anderson take ownership of Gigg Lane and the UOB Stadium?
The fear is that it gets redeveloped into something like a car park, supermarket, flats, etc. - but with the likely financial impact on the town of Bury caused by the demise of the football club, will there be a demand for any of these things?

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Post by JustJoe85 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:13 pm

S-H wrote:I know that I shouldn't be.. but I'm listening to Jim white this morning on Talk Sport..

What a prick.
Couldn't agree more. Not heard him today but stood in front on the countdown timer yesterday on SSN as people are losing their livelihoods, all for a bit of sensationalist tabloid TV was awful.

He is a deplorable bloke

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Post by S-H » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:18 pm

He's so odd, he read out some tweets that have criticised him for that very thing, and his response every time has been " you don't know me, and I'm glad I don't know you" he's got his head up his own arse.

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Post by mushy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:35 pm

S-H wrote:I know that I shouldn't be.. but I'm listening to Jim white this morning on Talk Sport..

What a prick.
Jim White making it all about himself. Not much of a surprise.

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Post by Gsbgsb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:47 pm

Do not like White and loath the radio show nor did I see the timer thing. If it was his idea it was awful however he is a Sky employee and does as he is told. If it was not his idea blame the person who came up with it.

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Post by Puff Daddy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:57 pm

AnthraxDave wrote:Similar thing happened with Hereford back in 2014; Bought by a dodgy owner, massive debt, a large asset (football ground) in prime commercial redevelopment location.

We formed ourselves into an army of spoilers and took on the dodgy owners and deliberately made the club go bust in order to reform as a fan-owned club a few divisions down and have attempted to make our way back.

The Fit & Proper Persons test is not worth the paper it is written on, and does not even come into effect if a club is taken over mid-season.

The real battle for Bury fans now will be to stop the twat Dale from trying to redevelop Gigg Lane into a housing estate. That is what our dodgy owners wanted to do with Edgar Street. Pressure on the Council at every level.
.. There are scumbags out there for sure. Something very similar happened to Brighton in the early 90's too. Their owner at that time, had one plan and one plan only, to redevelop their old Goldstone Ground into a retail park and didn't care less what happened to the football club. They were forced to move and played a few seasons at Gillingham's ground before moving back to Brighton and play at a ramshackled old athletics stadium

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