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Post by sanchoz » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:58 pm

Furious Bury fans accuse EFL of failure to follow regulations and threaten legal action if club is not reinstated
Bury fans have written to the English Football League accusing it of failing to follow its own regulations by throwing the crisis club out of the professional game and threatening legal action if it does not reinstate them.

In a letter to EFL interim executive chair Debbie Jevans on Friday morning to which she was given until 5pm to respond, the Forever Bury Supporters Trust quoted the league’s rules, claiming they necessitated an extraordinary general meeting of clubs in order for the expulsion of a member to be properly ratified.

The letter, seen by Telegraph Sport, read: “Dear Miss Jevans, We write in response to the EFL’s decision to expel Bury FC from the football league in reliance on Article 4.7.5. It is our position that the application of Article 4.7.5 in this manner is misguided and contrary to the purpose of 4.7.5 which is a protective provision designed to ensure the preservation of a member club by facilitating the transfer of a club’s share as has just occurred in the case of Bolton Wanderers. It is not, and never has been, envisaged as a sword to expel a club from league membership and the EFL’s utilisation of the provision in this manner is both ill-founded and inequitable.

“This provision has formed part of the EFL’s articles for over 20 years (being present in all restatements of the EFL’s Memorandum and Articles since those filed on 27 July 1998) and has never in that time been utilised as a mechanism with which to expel a club from league membership. This is despite over 61 ‘Insolvency Events’ occurring in the seasons 1998 to 2008 and 13 of those clubs involved experiencing more than one insolvency event in that period (figures taken from an article published in the International Journal of Sports Marketing & Sponsorship in April 2010). Whilst we don’t have the full figures to hand for Insolvency Events over the last ten years, we are aware a further 18 clubs have entered administration in that timeframe, none of which have been expelled from the league by the EFL.

“Articles 4.5 and 4.6 on their construction expressly refer to the ‘transfer’ of the membership share which is in contrast to the penal league Regulations which expressly provide for the ‘expulsion’ of a member club such as Regulations 8.2 and 92.2.9. These disciplinary Regulations recognise that where such a serious and fundamental step such as expulsion is recommended by the Board, that it must be ratified by the member clubs at general meeting given the catastrophic consequences that expulsion of a member club has for clubs, players, fans and communities.

“It is beyond dispute that the fans and minority shareholders of Bury FC which we represent are sufficiently affected by the outcome of the EFL’s rash decision to expel the club and on this basis we have the requisite standing to request that as a minimum the EFL immediately reinstate Bury’s membership pending ratification of the Board’s recommendation for expulsion at a properly constituted general meeting of the members of the EFL.

“The EFL’S misguided handling of this matter has directly prejudiced the interests all Bury FC stakeholders including its creditors, shareholders, players and employees and we reserve all our rights to hold the EFL accountable in this respect.

“It is however our hope that this matter can be resolved quickly and without the need for formal legal action to challenge the validity of the EFL’s decision on the grounds that expelling Bury in the manner employed was ultra vires and resulted in procedural unfairness. To this end we should be grateful if you would revert with your decision by no later than 5pm today (30 August 2019).

“Yours sincerely, Forever Bury Supporters Trust.”
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Post by S-H » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:20 am

Bury owner Steve Dale received £115k this year from club accounts

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Post by Westbourne Bill » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:57 am

Just spotted this from when he took over.
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What an odious schemer he’s proved to be.

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Post by sanchoz » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:21 pm

Bury FC under investigation by police over fraud allegation
Police have launched an investigation into an allegation of fraud regarding the collapse of Bury Football Club.

The club, which was expelled from the English Football League on Tuesday 27 August after failing to complete a last-minute takeover bid, has been under investigation for more than two months, meaning that any talks with potential news owners may have taken place unknowing that the it had been accused of a criminal offence

Greater Manchester Police confirmed on Tuesday that it received the allegation on 18 June, and that the investigation remains ongoing.

A Greater Manchester Police statement read: "We are investigating reports of fraud at Bury FC. Enquiries are at an early stage. No arrests have been made."

The investigation follows the news that the Greater Manchester Combined Authority has joined forces with local MPs and a Bury fans group in a bid to save the club.

Bury were expelled from the Football League last week, losing their place in Sky Bet League One, after C&N Sporting Risk pulled out of a takeover.

GMCA, led by Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham, MPs James Frith (Bury North) and Ivan Lewis (Bury South), plus supporters group Forever Bury, has urged the English Football League to reinstate the club.

"We are establishing a working group to develop a proposal to the Football League that would allow Bury to be admitted to Sky Bet League Two for the start of the 2020/21 season, subject to the submission of a credible plan to rebuild Bury FC before the end of this year," GMCA said in a statement.

"First, we will work to develop a clear proposal to the English Football League, by Friday September 20, that will allow us the opportunity to work towards re-entry to League Two.

"Second, if the EFL agree to that proposal, we will then work on a credible plan to rebuild the club, which all signatories to this statement will feel able to endorse.

"Third, if that credible plan fails to emerge within in the deadline then we accept the EFL's right to impose their original decision."
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Post by sanchoz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:31 pm

Bury Council will consider buying football club tonight
THE council will consider entering negotiations to buy Bury FC.

An emergency motion instructing the local authority to express its interest in the football club will be discussed at the town hall tonight.

If it passes, the council's chief executive and chief financial officer would have to secure a price for the club which has been expelled from the football league by Wednesday, September 18.

The following day, Bury Council would have to inform the English Football League of the potential purchase and put together a "credible" business plan.

If all goes to plan, an emergency meeting would be held at the town hall where councillors would vote on whether to purchase the club.

Conservative leader James Daly, who tabled the motion explained why he wants the council to investigate the purchase.

He said: "This motion is about whether it's feasible and possible from a financial perspective. But it's also about whether the council feels that Bury Football Club and Gigg Lane has sufficient social, culture and economic significance to the town of Bury.

"As we speak, there's no other credible individual coming forward. We should protect this community asset for generations but also going forward, provide a whole range of facilities that every one in Bury can benefit from."

The move by the Tories comes after the ruling Labour group tabled a motion in support for Bury FC.

It calls on the two MPs to ask Westminster's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport committee to revisit their reports regarding football governance, ownership, finance and the lack of grassroots football facilities in England.

The Labour group, which has a majority of five seats at the council, has said it will amend Tories' emergency motion, saying that they would rather the local authority "facilitates" negotiations.

Council leader David Jones raised concerns about supporting such a strongly-worded motion at a sensitive time for the club.
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Post by sanchoz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Bury MP has interested party but wants more Shakers bidders
JAMES Frith believes there are three parties interested in buying Bury and wants more to make themselves known in the coming days.

The Bury North MP’s rescue board – which includes fellow MP Ivan Lewis, Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham, Bury Council and Forever Bury – will come together on September 20 where they will finalise a proposal to put to the EFL ahead of their meeting six days later.

What form that meeting will take is a matter for discussion, Frith keen for there to be a vote involving the other 71 clubs as the campaign continues for the club to be reinstated into League Two next season.

The MP met with EFL executive chair Debbie Jevans on Tuesday as part of the Football League parliamentary group with all eyes now on what plan can be put together in the next eight days.

“I’m appealing for high network individuals with proof of funds and solicitors instructed to make contact,” Frith told the Bury Times.

“We don’t want to put all our eggs in one basket.

“I think there are three actively interested people.

“I am currently talking to one party interested in a possible consortium-style bid, potentially involving (previous bidders) C&N Sporting Risk and including local businesses as well.

“Others have been in contact with Forever Bury and the club as well.

“I don’t celebrate conversations and want safety in numbers and I’ve told that to the party I’m talking to.

“I’d say to anyone considering it that Bury is an attractive proposition.

“There’s full backing from the community and any credible bid would go down in folklore.

“I’m hoping to see people come forward in greater numbers.”
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Post by Happyhammer52 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:34 pm

I don't think it was posted, but the Chairman's Statement at the end of last month was quite a read.

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/augu ... statement/

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Post by Rocket » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:59 pm

Happyhammer52 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:34 pm
I don't think it was posted, but the Chairman's Statement at the end of last month was quite a read.

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/augu ... statement/
Wow. I wonder how many different claims of libel could be made against him as a result of those insane ramblings.

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Post by sanchoz » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:41 am

EFL checks on prospective owners to be reviewed after Bury expulsion
The English Football League is to examine how it can protect clubs from inadequate owners before they are allowed to take over, following the expulsion of Bury after 125 years of membership.

The EFL’s acting chair, Debbie Jevans, giving evidence to the House of Commons digital, culture, media and sport committee’s inquiry into Bury’s collapse, acknowledged that Steve Dale bought Bury for £1 in December without providing the EFL in advance with proof he had the money to run the club.

Jevans said the EFL’s “governance review,” being conducted by Jonathan Taylor QC, must look at how owners can be rigorously checked before they take control.

Ian Lucas, the Wrexham MP, challenged Jevans about Dale’s takeover, asking “why you let him through the door” before Dale provided any financial information to the league. Jevans said EFL rules do not require buyers to provide information on “source and sufficiency of funding” before a takeover, but within 10 days afterwards.

The Premier League acting chief executive, Richard Masters, giving evidence alongside Jevans and the FA chairman, Greg Clarke, confirmed the top flight operates under the same 10-day rule.

“Do you agree with me that that’s a deficiency in the rules?” Lucas asked Jevans. “What I do agree is we must learn lessons from this,” she replied.

Taylor, of the law firm Bird and Bird, has been commissioned by the EFL to review its rules governing the “fit and proper person” test for owners and directors of clubs, and relating to their financial sustainability. He is expecting to complete his report by late spring in time for rules to be recommended and voted on at the EFL’s 2020 summer meeting.

Clarke told Lucas he had not been involved in the demise of Bury until four weeks ago, after they had been expelled, when he received a letter of complaint from Dale.

Lucas said he was “stunned” that the FA chairman had had no involvement with such “a massive football story”, relating to a club formed in 1885, until after its expulsion.

Clarke replied that while he feels “a moral responsibility”, the FA and English football works by allowing leagues to govern the rules of their own competitions.

“It is not the role of the FA to enforce those rules, and I’m not sure if I wanted to, I would have the power to enforce those rules,” he said.

The Football Supporters’ Federation chairman and vice-chairman, Malcolm Clarke and Tom Greatrex, also giving evidence, referred to a detailed submission they have made to the FA, calling for robustly strengthened rules.

The FSF argues that the FA should take a central role in clubs’ governance, operating a unit independent of club owners.
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Post by YorksHammer » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 am

Don't know if anybody else has seen but Chichester City, the lowest ranked side still in the competition, got a bye to the second round of the FA Cup as a result of Bury not being able to take part.

They're intending to donate some of their £36,000 prize money to Bury, which I think is a pretty incredible gesture for a team that can hardly be cash rich.

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Post by sanchoz » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:33 am

YorksHammer wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 am
Don't know if anybody else has seen but Chichester City, the lowest ranked side still in the competition, got a bye to the second round of the FA Cup as a result of Bury not being able to take part.

They're intending to donate some of their £36,000 prize money to Bury, which I think is a pretty incredible gesture for a team that can hardly be cash rich.

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Post by Westbourne Bill » Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:28 pm

My local side - looking forward to a kind draw in the 2nd round.

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Post by sanchoz » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:47 pm

Bury FC avoid liquidation with winding-up hearing adjourned
BURY FC’s have staved off the threat of liquidation once again with their winding up petition in the High Court adjourned.

The hearing in London, the club’s ninth, saw the Shakers, expelled from the Football League with fans planning to form a new club in non-league next season, given until December 4 to rectify some outstanding issues.

The judge was told of a mix up under which they are said to have over-paid the tax man in PAYE which related to salaries they had not paid.

Senior insolvency judge, Judge Nicholas Briggs, allowed the extra time for the situation to be looked into and sorted out.

Two weeks ago at a hearing where the club had been expected to be wound up another judge allowed a two week adjournment until today after being told that an offer of payment had been made to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.

But today when the case returned the new twist to the long running saga emerged.

The judge was told that the club has been paying PAYE, probably since as far back as February in respect of salaries that have not been paid.

This would mean that the club had paid tax that the taxman was not entitled to. The amount of PAYE thought to have been paid was not given in court.

However, the club says that it has already made payments to the tax man of around £7,000 in respect of the tax debt at the heart of the winding up proceedings and they say they have handed over further money to their solicitors for this purpose.

As a result the club sought a further adjournment for more investigations to be carried out into the situation.

Judge Briggs said : “It sounds like there is an issue to be sorted out.

“Let’s sort it out and I’ll give you time to do it. The problem is to determine if HMRC has been overpaid PAYE.”

The group behind the new phoenix club insisted that despite Wednesday's judgement, their work would continue as planned.

"The news of an additional adjournment to the Winding Up Petition (WUP) of ‘The Bury Football Club Ltd’ is not a great surprise to the Phoenix group and supporters. The on-going legal process may continue to be drawn out for a period of time yet," a statement read.

"The assurances given on Friday that the WUP would be settled have not been met and it is yet another example of how the supposed custodian of the football club that we love has little interest in fulfilling their many promises.

"Whilst the fate of The Bury Football Club Ltd continues to officially hang in the balance, the work of the Phoenix group and the volunteers involved will continue.

"The town of Bury needs and deserves a football club. It needs a football club that will never find itself in this position ever again. We will continue to sow the seeds for a rebirth for when the seemingly inevitable occurs. There will be a football team in Bury come August 2020 and our resolve to see this through remains as strong as ever."
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Bury FC phoenix group insist new club will be democratic
ORGANISERS behind the Bury Phoenix Club insist supporters will be consulted at every stage of the process.

The group released a mission statement at the weekend as momentum gathers behind the formation of a new Shakers in non-league next season.

Plans are continuing to move apace despite the club, and owner Steve Dale, once again successfully seeing the winding up petition brought by HMRC adjourned in the High Court in London yesterday, staving off the threat of liquidation until December 4 at least.

Some eyebrows were raised this week when it was announced the phoenix group would merge in certain aspects with supporters’ trust Forever Bury.

But that is something that has been requested by the Football Association ahead of a meeting tomorrow, November 1, with work on-going to ensure all parties interested in the Shakers are heading in the same direction.

“We’re trying to work with all parties that are involved with the club,” said Chris Murray, part of the phoenix leadership group and organiser of the recent legends game at Radcliffe.

“So there’s Forever Bury, Buy Our Bury, the rescue board that James Frith sorted and what we’ve done so far is we’ve got a leadership committee which are overseeing different sections like media, commercial, finance, governance, things like that.

“People are starting to believe that this is the future of the club and this is the way that it needs to go.

“It’s just a case of getting all our ducks in a row so that we can move forward at the right time with a democratic approach so the fans can have a say how the club is run.”

Plenty of work is going on in the background but Murray insists that is simply to ensure the group are ready to push the button on their plans when the time comes.

He is encouraging Shakers fans to both volunteer and submit ideas to the group.

“We’ve tried to be as open and democratic as possible and say to people look if we’re having a phoenix club this is how you can be involved, this is how you can help,” he said.

“I’m sat here not as someone saying, I’m making the rules, I’m sat here as someone who wants to listen to what people have got to offer.

“There will always be suggestions put forward that are not feasible.

“There will be suggestions that are good but can’t be done at that particular time.

“There will be suggestions that are brilliant that you can move with.

“It’s about giving people that opportunity to say it to us.

“There will always be people that have an opinion about those that are involved or aren’t involved.

“You’re going to please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.

“You’ve got to look at it and work out how you can work with them to make it that the majority are happy. “
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Post by sanchoz » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:13 am

Bury trialist opens up on crisis summer months at Gigg Lane
FORMER Bury trialist Roger Johnson says staff bought food for the players with their own money as the club hurtled towards collapse over the summer.

The former Wycombe, Cardiff, Birmingham and Wolves defender spent pre-season with the Shakers and was in line to sign a contract should the club’s financial crisis be resolved.

The 36-year-old was with the club for around two months and saw first-hand what life was like at Gigg Lane as owner Steve Dale’s battle with the EFL ultimately saw the club kicked out of the Football League.


Johnson was full of praise for the dedicated Shakers staff who did what they could to keep the club afloat.

“Everyone worked so hard and they were working for nothing,” he told talkSPORT.

“With the food, the office ladies were going down to Costco and getting big lasagnes, bread and getting all the lads breakfast all out of their own pocket.

“So much went in to keep that club afloat.

“It’s hard for me to comment because I get so wound up with it. I had to step away from it to be honest.”
“There has to be something in place for people like Steve Dale to not be allowed to take over a football club,” he said.

“There was ample opportunity for him to just do what they asked for. Over and over again it happened.

“How was he allowed to keep doing that? How was he allowed to take over in the first place?”

The veteran’s initial move up to Bury came on the arrival of Dave Jones, as club consultant, and Paul Wilkinson, manager.

Johnson had worked under both at Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday and was offered what looked like the ideal project for him at the tail end of his playing career.

“The manager Paul Wilkinson was assistant when I was at Cardiff. Dave Jones was in there who was my manager at Cardiff and I was with them both at Sheffield Wednesday so they know what I’m about,” he said.


“They said ‘look, we want you up, you’re perfect for what we’re going to need’.

“I went up there, did all pre-season, week by week it was ‘yeah it’s going to be sorted, it’s going to be sorted’ and it just ended up never getting sorted.

“The contract was there for me to sign as soon as the situation was sorted. It was all good to go.

“I was going in as player and first-team coach so it was perfect for me.”
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Post by sanchoz » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:15 am

Bury phoenix club pleased with progress as deadlines loom
THE group behind a Bury phoenix club are confident they will be ready to strike when the time comes to act.

Those behind the start-up are working away to ensure the new-look Shakers can hit deadlines to be considered for a place in the non-league structure next season.

The North West Counties League, the ninth tier, have a deadline of the end of this year, with proposals then moving to the Football Association at the start of 2020.

Plans are moving on as the future of Bury FC continues to hang by a thread, an adjourned winding-up petition brought by HMRC not due to return to the High Court in London until December 4.

After expulsion from the Football League after 125 years of membership fans are volunteering in their hundreds, around 300 now signed up, to support the phoenix movement with organisers confident they will be ready to press go on their project if and when the time comes.

“We’re carrying on as planned at the moment,” said Chris Murray, one of the leadership group.

“We can only control what we can control.

“If the club does get bought we have to look at whether it’s a credible bidder. Then we put it to be members and see if they want us to stop what we’re doing.

“Most fans want Bury FC to be playing at Gigg Lane – I do. But we are planning for the club being liquidated and the town of Bury needing a football club next season.”

More than 1,000 people filled in an online survey to air their views on what a new Shakers club should look like with a launch event in the works to present plans to supporters.

Having met with the FA a fortnight ago about where the club would land in non-league, there is another meeting scheduled this week.

“The meeting with the FA was good. They advised us what we needed to have in place before the deadline,” said Murray.

“They were impressed with where we were up to.

“With other things that we’ve been doing it’s been a productive couple of weeks.

“We’ve got a meeting with them again this week as things keep moving forwards.”
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Post by sanchoz » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:25 pm

Their Soccer Club Vanished. They Kept Coming.

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After Bury Football Club was shuttered on the eve of this season, five employees chose to persevere without pay. Theirs is a story of loyalty, duty and hope.
BURY, England — Michael Curtis still comes to Gigg Lane every day, Monday through Friday. He pulls in at 7:30 a.m., just as he used to, and makes the short walk to the building past a makeshift shrine — a jumble of different teams’ scarves, flags and jerseys from the days when Bury Football Club was fighting for its life.

Half an hour or so later, the others start to arrive. His mother, Joan, is here by 8, at the soccer club where her father played, and where she has worked for almost half a century. Michael’s sister, Lynne Kent, comes down most days, too. Other than coach, Joan and Lynne have occupied pretty much every post imaginable at the club: marketing, administration, season-ticket sales.

By 9, Gordon Sorfleet, once Bury’s media manager — a role that always encompassed far more at a shoestring operation like Bury than it would at one of Manchester’s giant clubs, 20 minutes or so down the road — is in, and so is Martin Kirkby, the bar manager.

It has been three months since Bury, unable to meet its financial obligations or find an owner to take over from the reviled Steve Dale, was thrown out of the English Football League. It is only a couple of weeks before it will be formally liquidated, before the club that traces its roots to 1885 ceases to exist entirely. It has been a “slow death,” Curtis said, and the remaining caretakers long for its completion. Only then can work start on forming a new club in its place.
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Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:58 pm

Bury default on plan to settle outstanding debts
Fresh doubt has been cast over the future of Bury Football Club after they defaulted on a plan to help settle their outstanding debts.

Creditors approved a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal last July which would have seen the club's football creditors paid in full.

Unsecured creditors, including HMRC, were due to be paid 25% of money owed.

Bury, who were expelled from the English Football League last August, had until Tuesday to pay the CVA.

"We will be looking at taking necessary action," said Steven Wiseglass of Inquesta Corporate Recovery & Insolvency. "No further comment can be made at this stage."

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