The January Transfer Window 2020

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Watford loan Marvin Zeegelaar
Newcastle -Valentino Lazaro
Aston Villa sign- Mbwana Samatta
Villa loan Pepe Reina- Made crucial saves in their win against Watford.
Norwich buy Lukas Rupp from Hoff.
Norwich sign - Ondrej Duda
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Agreed that centre mid should be priority. But our fullbacks are poor - as evidenced by every single team we play against targeting them.
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Depressed Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:02 am Watford loan Marvin Zeegelaar
Newcastle -Valentino Lazaro
Aston Villa sign- Mbwana Samatta
Villa loan Pepe Reina- Made crucial saves in their win against Watford.
Norwich buy Lukas Rupp from Hoff.
Norwich sign - Ondrej Duda
Be fair though. Sullivan and his trusty agent network won’t have heard of these guys.
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The transfer window was always a terrible idea. The Agents and and the likes of Sullivan are cancelling themselves out with brinkmanship. Going for the last minute jackpot.

Unless the club willingly accept they have got to pay over the odds chances are we will end up with cock all.
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HammerMan2004 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:09 am Be fair though. Sullivan and his trusty agent network won’t have heard of these guys.
Thats why you need decent club scouts.
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hammer1975 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:06 am Agreed that centre mid should be priority. But our fullbacks are poor - as evidenced by every single team we play against targeting them.
I'm not so sure it's that straighforward. Look at the goals conceded against each of these opponents;

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How many would we pin on the full backs?
How many would we pin on reserve 'keeper being a disaster zone?
How many would we pin on centre backs struggling against 'traditional' centre forwards?
How many would we pin on the team simply not having the energy, zest etc to get a foothold in a game?
How many would we pin on lack of options, poor substitutions, tiredness in the last third of a game?
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Leeds getting Jean-Kevin Augustin is hilarious. He’d be a good signing but a championship team with potential is probably a better bet than us
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In the modern game full backs need to provide decent crosses and play at a high level. Arnold has 10 assists.That figure will go over 15 ! When spurs were flying. Rose and Walker. Chelsea won league with Moses as right wing back. Good full backs with pace to go up and down and have a defensive brain are worth their weight in gold now.. Allows a team to not play wingers as such adding more offensive in central positions.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:34 am I'm not so sure it's that straighforward. Look at the goals conceded against each of these opponents;

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How many would we pin on the full backs?
How many would we pin on reserve 'keeper being a disaster zone?
How many would we pin on centre backs struggling against 'traditional' centre forwards?
How many would we pin on the team simply not having the energy, zest etc to get a foothold in a game?
How many would we pin on lack of options, poor substitutions, tiredness in the last third of a game?
You can add poor pre season squad building and planning to that list.
When the season began we saw the squad and knew we needed to score goals to win games because the defensive mid players were weak and slow not including Rice. As soon as the goals dried up because the legs got weaker in the middle as games came the whole system crumbled.
Shipping out strikers when we lack goals now. Midfield players like Cullen on loan lol when we have no legs in there.
We lack pace and let Holland go on loan. Its just pathetic decsions which has put us in thin ice for a few seasons. Now those players which have climbed us back from drowinging are older and are mentally shattered. Cress, Lanzini, Noble , Snod, Oggy, Antonio etc are fighting relegation almost year in year old bar the odd one. Can them players dig deep like they did last year and get us out of this because watching the Leicester game , they have had enough bar Antonio and Rice. If we go down they get sold or play with no pressure in Championship. I will be well surprised this season if we stay up. No huddersfield or Cardiff around this season. Teams down there are fighting and believing they can get out of it. The only team that looks vulnerable is us..
Cresswell had to come across from left back to cover Zabby in the last game and the guy game Zabby 10 yards start. Its pathetic squad planning that is crippling us.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:34 am I'm not so sure it's that straighforward. Look at the goals conceded against each of these opponents;
At least we’ve still got the scousers twice yet
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wonder if it's ever been a case that a team have started with two games in hand outside the relegation zone then dropped to 19th after catching up.
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Hugh Jargon II wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:10 am The transfer window was always a terrible idea. The Agents and and the likes of Sullivan are cancelling themselves out with brinkmanship. Going for the last minute jackpot.

Unless the club willingly accept they have got to pay over the odds chances are we will end up with cock all.
It’s a way for clubs with big pockets to make small strides away from the dreaded 18th spot.

I do wonder how much of their employing Moyes was based on him telling them he thought the squad was good enough to stay up though? The fella virtually said the same thing about it being better than when he left in his first presser.

Last time they brought a ton in during January was under Avram..
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Lord Zoltan wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:53 am Why are we targeting a right back at this time instead of a CM or Striker?

We already have Zab, Johnson and Freds and Antonio can play right RWB.

We are an injury to Rice or Haller away from being straight in the deep doo-doo!

Replacing Kouyate and Obiang with Wilshere and Sanchez wasn't great was it.
As far as I'm aware, Cash is a CM but has recently being as RB to cover for an injury? Probably why he's so appealing if he covers both positions.
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hammer1975 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:41 am Byram was on relatively low wages, didn’t take up a non home grown squad place, was young enough to improve, we got a very small fee and no replacement was bought in.

The decision to move him on was symptomatic of the penny pinching balancesheet#1 focus of the summer that is the root cause of the ***** season we’ve had
In all fairness with Byram, we had Fredericks, Zabaleta (who the manager decided he preferred), and Ben Johnson breaking through. So don't think Byram was a player we needed to replace. It's our failure to replace Obiang and Hernandez that highlights our penny pinching ways and has been intrinsic to our downfall.
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Byram is a decent player but he couldn’t get fit with us. I’d imagine any lengthy spells of fitness at Norwich are down to that club being run smartly by football men like Webber and Farke.

Our full backs aren’t awful, although I think right back is clearly weaker. Neither are as good on the ball as either left back. Zab is the best defender of the four, unless he’s playing a high line.
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Depressed Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am In the modern game full backs need to provide decent crosses and play at a high level. Arnold has 10 assists.That figure will go over 15 ! When spurs were flying. Rose and Walker. Chelsea won league with Moses as right wing back. Good full backs with pace to go up and down and have a defensive brain are worth their weight in gold now.. Allows a team to not play wingers as such adding more offensive in central positions.
All of those full backs have/ had the benefit of very good midfields and CBs so all they have to do is run up and down collecting assists.
TAA and Robertson are far from being decent defenders but they don't have to. They have Van dijk, Fabhino, Wijnaldum and Henderson.
Stick Masuaku in that side and he would do ok. Fredericks would struggle as he can't cross a road

Stick Robertson in our side and he would look like fish out of water.
In the modern game, unless you have a powerful and athletic midfield, your full backs will always be exposed
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bubbles1966 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:34 am I'm not so sure it's that straighforward. Look at the goals conceded against each of these opponents;

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How many would we pin on the full backs?
How many would we pin on reserve 'keeper being a disaster zone?
How many would we pin on centre backs struggling against 'traditional' centre forwards?
How many would we pin on the team simply not having the energy, zest etc to get a foothold in a game?
How many would we pin on lack of options, poor substitutions, tiredness in the last third of a game?
All of that is true Bubbs.

But how many times have we conceded chances because Declan is out of position covering the full back. Or the centre backs are exposed because they’ve pushed across. Every game it feels like the opposition routinely smash the ball into the channels and corners and our full backs are beaten to the ball. Puts us repeatedly on the back foot. How many times do well the full backs win their 1:1 battles?

And that’s even before you consider how little our full backs help transition the play up the pitch. People get focused on Robertson, Walker, Alexander-Arnold around the crosses they can sling in - but that’s not the most valuable quality to their team imo. They carry the ball routinely up the pitch to turn defence into attack - and they give the ball to a team mate higher up the pitch . We have Cresswell routinely turning it backwards, Masuaku struggling to make a decision and ultimately doing nothing, Fredericks scampering really fast and then hitting the first man so the opposition can break quickly. Zabaleta gets up the pitch and may as well send a postcard to get back quicker than he manages. Every game we have at least one playing poorly - this gives the opposition so much encouragement to bend us out of shape.

We’re stuck in the 80’s around our view of what a good full back brings to the team imo.
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Robertson and TAA rarely involve in transition. They run up the line without the ball and cross it. Fullbacks under Guardiola are much more involved in transition but cross it less.

Masuaku is excellent in transition. His touch and passing in short spaces is excellent which is why we play our best football when him and Anderson were firing .

The trouble we have is we lose the ball, we have no midfield so the opposition steam forward and the full backs can't back quick enough so get blamed for being out of position.

If TAA is stuck up field the sheer pace and work rate of the Liverpool side makes up for it. Same at Man city. Players like Dr bruyne and sterling are ridiculously hard working

I don't like Cresswell much but he is perfectly decent enough to get in most premier league teams outside the top 6 and masuaku certainly is.
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Depressed Hammer wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:02 am Watford loan Marvin Zeegelaar
Newcastle -Valentino Lazaro
Aston Villa sign- Mbwana Samatta
Villa loan Pepe Reina- Made crucial saves in their win against Watford.
Norwich buy Lukas Rupp from Hoff.
Norwich sign - Ondrej Duda
Watford have loaned Zeegelaar out surely?
Otherwise I take your point. Most of our relegation rivals are doing something about it.
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If we don’t sign anyone then we’re going to be in a position where we are waiting for injured players to come back or hoping that injury prone players stay fit, it’s hardly rocket science but we all know what’s going to happen to us if this is our strategy
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