David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by the pink palermo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:47 pm

DaveWHU1964 wrote:
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He has no dreams for West Ham. He has dreams for which he is reliant on West Ham and all of those dreams revolve around money.
I'm not so sure Dave.

He isn't going to spend too much of his money, that's for sure, but I do kind of believe he believed he could trade his way to a CL spot - delusional maybe, dreamlike, certainly.

His problem, with each passing year, is it really isn't getting any closer.

If all he wanted to do was make more money, he was already making plenty from his property empire, his desire to own a football club is more about him proving he's smarter than the rest and it really can be done on shirt buttons and "better management" , and by that I mean in the boardroom not the dugout.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:09 pm

DaveWHU1964 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:27 pm
He has no dreams for West Ham. He has dreams for which he is reliant on West Ham and all of those dreams revolve around money.

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This. Never forget he first asked Birmingham City council to build BCFC a new ground and rent it to him. When they naturally refused he approached Cardiff council about renting the Millennium Stadium and moving Cardiff City there. When they also told him to fwcia bant and London got the Olympics with its attendant stadium, only then did he look towards east London.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by The Gibbins » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:23 pm

I just feel like everything is a shortcut, he has ambition but wants to do it as cheap as possible. Our net spend, the foreign punts on loan, the free transfers and worst of all this gigantic bowl of a stadium thats is rented, not fit for football but can acommodate loads of bums on seats. Everything the board do is with the intention of making us go far but doing so in the most backwards way to avoid spending what realistically needs to be invested.

We have two bob training facilities, and are well behind the likes of ****ing Burnley who blow us out the water with what they have available.

You look at Spurs (over the years, they are light years ahead of us nowadays) and whilst Levy is a businesman and wants to save money, it has been invested in the right areas of the club, like the training facilities and also a state of the art stadium. They have also had a long term strategic plan buying the best young players, with a well thought out plan to see these players develop and create a culture signing players with a certain mindset/personality. We are just so slapdash and think investing £35million on a player, whilst selling others to balnace the books and get some free transfers in makes everything ok. We have some decent individuals, and the rest are bog standard premier league players and the squad lacks any structure or balance. Our bench is absolutely horrendous, i would say we have gone backwards this year.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by sanchoz » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:33 pm

Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:09 pm
This. Never forget he first asked Birmingham City council to build BCFC a new ground and rent it to him. When they naturally refused he approached Cardiff council about renting the Millennium Stadium and moving Cardiff City there. When they also told him to fwcia bant and London got the Olympics with its attendant stadium, only then did he look towards east London.
Found Birmingham, on the look for a Cardiff related news story.

Birmingham City stadium plans revived to help 2018 World Cup bid
“The FA came to Birmingham City about the possibility of a new stadium,” Sullivan said. “They really want to have discussions with us and the council to see how we can bring this situation to a head and see how it can be used as part of their World Cup bid.

“There has been quite a lot of money spent between us and the council into a feasibility study which will report back very early in October. Things are going on all the time that people do not realise.

“Birmingham needs a City of Birmingham Stadium. Villa Park is not good enough or big enough for the World Cup or the Commonwealth Games.

“With this we would get the Commonwealth Games almost as a formality. You have seen what that has done for Manchester as a city and who would not want that for Birmingham?”

But Sullivan insisted the next move was with the city council which virtually has the power of veto over a proposal that first arose in 2001 when the FA was considering whether to redevelop Wembley or build a new national stadium outside London.

Another plan nearly came to fruition in 2006 when the city considered building a Super Casino as part of the new stadium only to opt for the National Exhibition Centre as its preferred option.

“The ball is in the council’s court,” said Sullivan. “They must decide whether they really want Birmingham to be the second city or just carry on as things are.

“We want to be central to the scheme, we are happy for it to go ahead and happy to be an anchor tenant - we are very excited about this.”
https://www.business-live.co.uk/news/lo ... ed-3955503

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by S-H » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:37 pm

Thanks a lot, Birmingham City council..

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by DaveWHU1964 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:51 pm

The Gibbins wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:23 pm
I just feel like everything is a shortcut, he has ambition but wants to do it as cheap as possible.

This isn't directed specifically to you Gibbins - it's to anyone who still believes this. Words are as we know cheap, so forget about their big talk so what actual evidence does anyone see that points to them having ambitions for West Ham.

This ...

Our net spend, the foreign punts on loan, the free transfers and worst of all this gigantic bowl of a stadium thats is rented, not fit for football but can acommodate loads of bums on seats.

... I think many of us would agree is all poor so how can that be reconciled with your ...

Everything the board do is with the intention of making us go far ...

... when as you say ...

but doing so in the most backwards way to avoid spending what realistically needs to be invested.

...just doesn't show ambition or an "intention of making us go far" and nor does us knowing that ...

We have two bob training facilities, and are well behind the likes of ****ing Burnley who blow us out the water with what they have available.

You and me are ambitious for West Ham. Sullivan and Gold are not.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:56 pm

did anyone watch the u-23 clips away @ Swansea

was that their training facility or the Uni ?

if theirs, it's a pretty nice set up

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by the pink palermo » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:09 pm

@DaveWHU1964

Isn't it possible he has ambitions for us but is simply deluded as to what it really takes ? Possibly because what he looks at visiting Rush Green is vastly better than what Birmingham City had , rather than looking at Man City or Tottenhams training ground ?

He simply doesn't understand that you won't compete with the top clubs if you structure yourself along the lines of a two bob outfit like Birmingham City ?

As Bubbles1966 has argued on these pages for years, we're miles too big for them as owners, Sullivan is deluded enough to believe he is moving us forward, when, in reality, it's him and Gold holding us back.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by DaveWHU1964 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:19 pm

the pink palermo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:09 pm
Isn't it possible he has ambitions for us but is simply deluded as to what it really takes ?
If you'd have put the 'delusional' argument out there two or three years into their tenure you wouldn't have had an argument from me on the grounds that it would have been a reasonable possibility to consider. Now, nearly ten years? No way - they've had too long to not have seen their way of achieving success isn't working. And key to the delusional thing is to remember that it is 'they' not just him - Gold, Sullivan and Brady all together. And all of them sing from the very same hymn sheet. The possibilities of all three of them being deluded have to be extremely remote.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Sloop John B » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:03 pm

Apologies haven't read the rest of the thread but I'd suggest he hasn't taken us anywhere... Feels like he's done his absolute best to keep us where we were... Mid Table premiership team, totally inconsistent, some good players but no real squad depth to challenge, hope to avoid releagtion, praying for a cup run!

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Ozza » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:33 pm

The **** is being let off far too lightly on here, he isn’t deluded he’s a lying, thieving, scum bag who’s only plan was to do exactly what he’s doing right now, taking money out of the club in loan interest payments, pay down loans and maximise profit.

He’s not some likeable little rouge who has ideas above his station and was found wanting, he’s a scum bag leech and a blight on this club

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Georgee Paris » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:40 pm

You aren’t too keen on him are you ozza?

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Doc H Ball » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:12 pm

Wonder what our first owner would make of him?

Lifted off wiki:

Hills proposed a West Ham as a limited company and became the major shareholder, and encouraged business associates, family and his workman to invest, promising to buy one share for every one sold to the public. He rented the Memorial Grounds to the club at very favourable terms. Hills told the new directors he would not interfere in the running of the club and was true to his word and despite being by far the largest single shareholder never attended an AGM, ask to address a meeting or present any demands or suggestions.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Marlow Vaderman » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:40 pm

Spotted this on LLTB...
Stark Reading...

FACTS ARE FACTS

Since Sullivan and Gold bought the club, the smallest gap in terms of number of points between what we accrued and the number required for a top four finish has been four points - and that was in our final season at the Boleyn.

Other than that :

2009/10: 35 points short
2010/11: 35 short (but qualified for the Championship!)
2011/12: wrong division
2012/13: 27 short
2013/14: 39 short
2014/15: 23 short
2016/17: 31 short
2017/18: 33 short
2018/19: 19 short
2019/20: I predict we'll be approximately 28 points short

In other words we are nowhere near Champions League qualification - and haven't been anywhere near it other than in the year several of the usual suspects had poor seasons and we in contrast had gotten lucky with a world class player who gave us his best ever season.

So within David Sullivan's decade we have moved grounds - a move that still proves to be unpopular with a great many supporters, spent what he may consider to be a fortune and seen the club managed by Franco Zola, Avram Grant, Sam Allardyce, Slaven Bilic, David Moyes and now Manual Pellegrini.

He's appointed five different managers, chucked every penny the club has at it (almost none of his own though) and we're still no better off than the year before he and David Gold bought the club.

That season, we finished ninth on 51 points - 21 short of a top four finish.

If he isn't asking himself the question this article poses then he's even more deluded than the typical West Ham United supporter, because he really should be asking himself it.

And the answer, of course, is "yes".

Representatives from KUMB.com sat with the club's Vice Chair nearly three years ago and politely suggested that Mr Sullivan and Mr Gold set a realistic price for their shares and sell up.

There's no need for any nastiness and no need for any unpleasantries, but I'd repeat that request to Mr Sullivan again directly if I bumped in to him.

He's had a go, he's had his chance. But West Ham are on the road to nowhere - and our next move could well be downwards.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by happydaystoytown » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:51 pm

I'm with Dave'64 and Ozza on this.

It's been obvious for a long time now, that when they bought the club, their only ambition was to financially exploit the club and supporters for everything they could. As long as we stayed in the Prem, success on the pitch didn't even crossed their minds.

I actually don't think Sullivan would want us to qualify for the CL, even if it was handed on a plate, things are just fine as they are......£££££££
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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Samba » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:56 pm

the pink palermo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:48 am
That's certainly not why I started this thread Marky, if the last round of grief didn't, to all intents and purposes, work, why would another round ?
Let me put it another way.
Does anybody think that David Sullivan hasn't asked himself the question this thread title posed ?
I think it's more likely he asks himself, 'Have I taken them as far as I can get away with?'..
I'm not sure that a march will come around again but not because of any specific reason. Unless Hammers United want to try again. All those that wanted to march (& it was thousands), probably all feel the same way now.
I suspect it's more likely that people will simply stop going; will stop buying their season tickets. There's only so much sh*t that people can take.
KB would say that her HUGE waiting list would take up the slack. We'll see, hey?
We all DO have a choice, after all.. :wink:

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Faithless » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:27 pm

Marlow Vaderman wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:40 pm
Spotted this on LLTB...
Stark Reading...
Isn't that word for word what TPP wrote a page ago?
the pink palermo wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:48 am
Let me put it another way...

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Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:29 pm

and on the front page of this very website - accredited to the very Pinky Pinkster himself.

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Post by Marlow Vaderman » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:32 pm

Faithless

Yes.. sorry..
Didn’t realise till after I posted it!!
Doh..
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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Hammer83 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:44 pm

Yes! We will never progress and develop into the club we should be with them running the show.If you are wondering why I feel like this I will point to January 2016 window,we were riding high with a ( at the time a world top 20 player ) in Payet.

So what happened we were the champions league spots or abouts and we could have made it that year,if we had signed a top striker and right back for maybe £30-£40m back then ? What did we get free transfer the Nigerian lad 🤦🏼‍♂️.

Summer 2016 we moved to our new home Payet returned from the Euros cementing his status as a world class player.We were then linked with his friend a prolific french striker Lacazette and they just done their usual bidding below what the club wanted so they wouldn’t sell him to us.

They then went onto proceed to spend a pathetic £25m on complete dross and pissed off our best player in the process.Another chance to push on blown away be penny pinching.

I admit the summer 2018 was a decent window but that was only spending money that should have been spent previously and all that done was bring the squad back to a midtable squad.

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