David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by ToiletDuck » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:15 pm

When you think you know everything , you are wrong.
If Dave thinks he knows all there is to know about football and business then I cannot believe that he does. However he may genuinely believe that he does and there be the rub.

Look at all the successful businesses people and sports people they have external coaches / mentors etc. A chairman of the board might not need to be the most intelligent person or the most skilled but what they do need to be is a man manager to get the most out of the others. Someone who knows thier limitation and can get external help in.

Until that changes , (after the 'failed' Husilos experiment I cant see that it will) then we have a chairman that will continue to stifle things in my opinion.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by prophet:marginal » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:57 pm

Faithless wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:07 pm
But, but, but I thought they were fans?
Lol

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Post by S-H » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:28 pm

:lol:

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Post by Paolo's Piranhas » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:33 pm

Coral Snake wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:49 am
Too much time
I think where Sullivan's concerned, this one's pretty appropriate..



Or maybe that's just supporting West Ham ?

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:42 pm

Serious question......

Does he have any advisers or people that are real
Football people or is it completely off the cuff and done as a dictatorship?

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by hammer1975 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:45 pm

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:42 pm
Serious question......

Does he have any advisers or people that are real
Football people or is it completely off the cuff and done as a dictatorship?
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... d-sullivan

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Post by wormley » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:59 am

It's almost like we're being run as a dictatorship, which might explain why the players can't be arsed and always look so miserable.

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Post by S-H » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:01 am

wormley wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:59 am
It's almost like we're being run as a dictatorship, which might explain why the players can't be arsed and always look so miserable.
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Post by hammerman11 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:08 am

we look to be lifeless and have no passion. gsb have sucked the life out of the club,players and fans. the bowl is a disaster and most of us would return to the Boleyn if that was an option.

we have two pathways to happiness
1. gsb sell to a red bull. they purchase and redevelop the bowl . they invest in the team we become a top 8 side.
2. we get relegated and the protests eventually drive the filth from the club . new not so rich owners come in , we leave the bowl and build a proper stadium for 50k. we stay in the championship for 5 years whilst this occurs and ground share with orient Charlton etc.

both scenarios see gsb leaving. either will do for me although I favour number 2 and a proper stadium as even with alterations the bowl will never be a proper football stadium and we still have the issue with westfield and stop/goers !
get out of the bowl and rebuild.

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Post by wormley » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:35 am

S-H wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:01 am
Might explain his obsession with soviet fashion. I wonder if he's got a photograph of Stalin on his desk?

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Post by Paolo's Piranhas » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:48 am

S-H wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:01 am
That's great!

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Post by Caniggia90 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:21 am

hammerman11 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:08 am
we look to be lifeless and have no passion. gsb have sucked the life out of the club,players and fans. the bowl is a disaster and most of us would return to the Boleyn if that was an option.

we have two pathways to happiness
1. gsb sell to a red bull. they purchase and redevelop the bowl . they invest in the team we become a top 8 side.
2. we get relegated and the protests eventually drive the filth from the club . new not so rich owners come in , we leave the bowl and build a proper stadium for 50k. we stay in the championship for 5 years whilst this occurs and ground share with orient Charlton etc.

both scenarios see gsb leaving. either will do for me although I favour number 2 and a proper stadium as even with alterations the bowl will never be a proper football stadium and we still have the issue with westfield and stop/goers !
get out of the bowl and rebuild.
For me it's not about getting 50,000 supporters. It's about having your own purpose built football stadium to call home. This is a pipe dream however. I believe we are stuck where we are for the foreseeable, so improvements need to be kept being made. I certainly don't want to sell out either, I just want a board that works with the fans, listens to their concerns and show that they are willing to work hard to solve them. Is that too much to ask? Our board likes tweets calling us morons. Disgraceful.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Knighter10WHU » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:36 am

Caniggia90 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:21 am
For me it's not about getting 50,000 supporters. It's about having your own purpose built football stadium to call home. This is a pipe dream however. I believe we are stuck where we are for the foreseeable, so improvements need to be kept being made. I certainly don't want to sell out either, I just want a board that works with the fans, listens to their concerns and show that they are willing to work hard to solve them. Is that too much to ask? Our board likes tweets calling us morons. Disgraceful.
I'm not sure we are necessarily stuck at the OS for the foreseeable, if you listen to the KUMB podcast with Kieran Maguire the other week he makes some very sound points about Spurs' new stadium and how they generate so much more revenue by having a stadium they own and can use for 365 days of the year as opposed to the 20 days a year we get to use the OS. As tough as it is to say it, the Spurs model is one we should be aiming to follow albeit on a smaller scale as we don't have the Champions League revenues coming in.

What it will take is owners with a vision and a plan for the future, something we do not have at the moment.

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Johnny_C WHU » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:44 am

I know it has been a while since but, I cant stop thinking about that article that someone posted on here with his comments regarding his knowledge of football, and because he has spent so much time within the football industry he believes to know more than some managers. Think it was from his Birmingham days.
This for me is attitude is probably the most telling insight to our current problems. The man cannot help himself!

I have been watching English football all my life and was a community coach for West Ham, does that mean that I know more than some of the foreign managers in the Prem? Of course not.

Our club is now moulded in the image of this man, along with Brady's knowledge of rebranding and commercialism and it is hard to digest.
I don't want to make this personal however, from his interviews, general conduct and even the pics from his mansion, he is not to my taste. I believe to be successful you need to have the right support, but also to be challenged if your decisions are questionable. It appears outside in, that as majority stake holder he pretty much has the decision, and believes he knows best. I appreciate he will have some support, I imagine at least Gold and Brady play a part however, whatever they had planned for this club is not working.

I have no interest in his business portfolio, I only care about West Ham and in that sense he is failing. Sugar would have given him the finger by now... :shock:
Sullivan had taken ownership of this club, and despite the move, the bluster and the razzle dazzle we are actually no better off from his initial ownership. We are still in debt, we just owe the David's and pay day loaners.

All the noise about net spend etc. for me is further detriment for how badly he has run this club. The one summer we spent handsomely distorts the figures I believe and lets be honest, how many of our players actually hold a value?
We have spent so much money on old has been's, players in late twenties - early thirties that are in decline and have no actual value, along with the long put of Carlos Kickaballs. You could question the managers on the players they had identified and signed however, it reeks of Sullivan playing Football Manager (Joe Hart anyone?). Billic was desperate for Willy, and never got him. I would argue that we still need someone like Carvalho, Billic had that foresight ages ago but lets face it, a DM is not a 'image' position to sign is it.

I feel that there is a conflict in his plan, self interest and making a profit from the club and doing the bare minimum to tick the club along. If he truly believes that following the move he could get the club into the dizzying heights of the Champions League etc. then he has clearly failed miserably. To not know that the move would not really commercially benefit the club and enable the purchase of world class players would be borderline criminal. To state proudly that over four years a net spend of circa £200m is good enough to move home, despite a massive increase in TV money and player values, heck we spent nearly £100m on Anderson and Haller!

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Re: David Sullivan - Has he taken us as far as he can ?

Post by Puff Daddy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:57 am

Have there ever been two football owners who have been so completely, totally and utterly despised by fans, of not one, but two football clubs, who eventually take matters into their own hands to launch campaigns to drive them out, as much as these two ? That is pretty, bloody damning I think

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Post by Johnny_C WHU » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:59 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:57 am
Have there ever been two football owners who have been so completely, totally and utterly despised by fans, of not one, but two football clubs, who eventually take matters into their own hands to launch campaigns to drive them out, as much as these two ? That is pretty, bloody damning I think
Nail on the head Puff!

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Post by The Old Man of Storr » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:08 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:57 am
Have there ever been two football owners who have been so completely, totally and utterly despised by fans, of not one, but two football clubs,

Not since Adolph Hitler and Reinhard Heydrich took over Sparta Prague and Legia Warsaw .


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Post by Upton Carp » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:42 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:57 am
Have there ever been two football owners who have been so completely, totally and utterly despised by fans, of not one, but two football clubs, who eventually take matters into their own hands to launch campaigns to drive them out, as much as these two ? That is pretty, bloody damning I think
In a nutshell, Puff. :thup:

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