2019/2020 Relegation Thread

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Re: No ifs, buts or maybes...

Post by hammer1975 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:04 pm

Yes

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Re: No ifs, buts or maybes...

Post by bubbles1966 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:05 pm

I thought that was a general, rolling thread on the subject about every team in the league.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by the pink palermo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:07 pm

It's a fine line Bubbles , I've merged them for now, if the Editor thinks the difference is sufficient he will split them out again

Bear with us

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by the pink palermo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:08 pm

Oh, and incidentally , No we won't.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by hammer1975 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:09 pm

It would be refreshing to have a thread that didn’t degenerate into a slagging off of the manager tbh.

I think we’re going down because a number of shortcomings at the club have not been addressed for a long time, I feel there’s little any manager could do about it tbh.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by bubbles1966 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:28 pm

It's natural to focus on how we're doing and our fixtures but Watford have now thrown away the lead in three successive league games - Villa, 10 men Everton and Brighton. Three of their next four are Man U(a), Liverpool and Leicester.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by the pink palermo » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:40 pm

I suspect the collapse of someone else will save us, though I'm also positive about the recent recruits.

It's essential though we have Antonio available in our must win games rather than our try not to lose too heavily games.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by duncanio » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:45 pm

Just did a predictor and wish I hadn't. Had us finishing bottom on 29! Hopefully thats just a reflection my pessimism than anywhere near the truth. Just can't see us winning at the moment. Our form will have to dramatically change. Don't see Haller coming good, I don't see Antonio scoring the goals we need if Haller is dropped. I don't see us making radical changes to the team to bring in a new way of winning. Don't see us beating Villa on last day of the season.
We need drastic change and to dispose of the bad attitudes, the ineffectives, the light weights and those that panic under pressure.
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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by il_martello_di_genovesi » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:47 pm

duncanio wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:45 pm
Just did a predictor and wish I hadn't. Had us finishing bottom on 29!
I wouldn’t say I was over confident about us staying up, but 5 more points? If we can’t win more than one of our fixtures we shouldn’t even be playing football...

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Believer » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:50 pm

the pink palermo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:40 pm

It's essential though we have Antonio available in our must win games rather than our try not to lose too heavily games.
Was thinking that as well. Even if he is fit I wouldn't start him tomorrow. Maybe have him come off the bench but we need him, Bowen, Anderson all available for the "must win" games.


As an aside, I've got a feeling that with both Nolan and Bowen coming on board we might just start seeing the best of Haller :thup:

(Nolan's coaching - I'm not expecting him to play..!)

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by duncanio » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:57 pm

il_martello_di_genovesi wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:47 pm
I wouldn’t say I was over confident about us staying up, but 5 more points? If we can’t win more than one of our fixtures we shouldn’t even be playing football...
Can't disagree with that but unless something dramatically changes in luck, team play or attitude I don't see us getting a win. Even when we're winning we panic and collapse. 😕

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Westbourne Bill » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:03 pm

hammer1975 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:09 pm
It would be refreshing to have a thread that didn’t degenerate into a slagging off of the manager tbh.

I think we’re going down because a number of shortcomings at the club have not been addressed for a long time, I feel there’s little any manager could do about it tbh.
I agree. The lack of pace in midfield, Lanzini’s total loss of form, Haller’s inadequacy up front, Diops decline, the rough end of VAR decisions...injuries to Anderson and Antonio, not being able to hire Pearce. This is not his squad.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Samba » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:21 am

Some Talksh*te Super Computer predictor last Wednesday had the following:

20. Norwich (relegated)
19. Aston Villa (relegated)
18. Bournemouth (relegated)
17. West Ham
16. Watford
15. Brighton
14. Newcastle
13. Crystal Palace
12. Burnley
11. Southampton
10. Everton
9. Sheffield United
8. Arsenal
7. Wolves
6. Manchester United
5. Tottenham (Europa League qualification)
4. Chelsea (Champions League qualification)
3. Leicester (Champions League qualification)
2. Man City (Champions League qualification)
1. Liverpool (Premier League champions)

Yay!
Exciting, but not in a good way..

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by coyi27 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:51 am

On a positive note my ratings algorithm I use for betting has us in the 19th place based on this season's performances so we are overachieving. :thup:

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Plashet Grove Pete » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:28 am

Palace are struggling, but they've also got something we haven't ..... 30 points. We're 6 behind with an inferior goal difference, and our next 2 against City and Liverpool will only make that worse. They would have to implode spectacularly (or we will have to play out of our skins) for us to finish above them.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by hammerman11 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:37 am

the next must win game is Southampton at home. this will follow two heavy stuffings and a break for the tired pampered darlings.

saints will view this as an opportunity to get the points their football deserves. they have played very well at Liverpool and spurs recently and somehow been very unlucky and lost both games. we have been awful and haven't deserved anything. cant see us winning this game. ings will bag a few against our defence.

we then have wolves arsenal Chelsea spurs - cant see any wins there either ! we will be bottom by then and nearly down and out.

will we sack moyes again and give Nolan a chance to get ready for the championship even though half the squad will be leaving. haller and co wont be bothered and will just avoid injury as they will not want to risk their transfers in the summer.

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by goa127 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:59 am

There's no must win games with 13 games left. Every game is worth three points and every game is winnable. Our remaining games are no more difficult than anybody elses. Liverpool and City away are obviously the worst but none of the others is beyond winning. If we concentrate on beating Watford, Burnley, Southampton etc. we'll come unstuck. Spurs, Arsenal, ManU are all much weaker than previous seasons. We'll need to improve, but if we don't improve we'll go down for sure

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Southminster Hammer » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:25 am

goa127 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:59 am
There's no must win games with 13 games left. Every game is worth three points and every game is winnable. Our remaining games are no more difficult than anybody elses. Liverpool and City away are obviously the worst but none of the others is beyond winning. If we concentrate on beating Watford, Burnley, Southampton etc. we'll come unstuck. Spurs, Arsenal, ManU are all much weaker than previous seasons. We'll need to improve, but if we don't improve we'll go down for sure
Spot on. Apart from Liverpool and Man City away, the other teams we have to play are not unbeatable. Certainly not easy by any stretch, and the other teams around us will have similar fixtures as well surely?

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by pezza20 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:16 am

Now we have some teeth upfront I can see us getting the 14 points I think that will be enough to keep us up.

This year I think will see a low points total for the drop - probably around the 35 mark so if we beat Southampton, Watford, Villa and Wolves at home we can get a couple against the other teams - Man U and Arsenal away are all winnable games but depends how we are set up.

Take Liverpool and Man City games out of the equation and we have 14 plus points to play for. This year has shown any team can beat the other on its day, there are no run away teams aside from the top 4. Remember we also beat Spurs at their place last year at 3 Points Lane....

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Re: 2019/2020 Relegation Thread

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:39 am

Just out of interest Pezza, why do you think it will be a low total to stay up?

I would have thought in a season where one or two teams get loads of points, and everyone else is sharing points that the bottom the total will be higher?

The results couldn't have gone better for us yesterday, and if Spurs beat Villa next weekend then basically the game against Man City is even more of a free hit than it was to start with

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