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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by S-H » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:58 pm

I think we should make a list of possible candidates to replace Pellers replacement, when he is also undermined in 18months time.

You can never be too organised.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:59 pm

i know you are being facetious SH but that is what a a lot of clubs with a long-term strategy would be doing., keeping tabs on what else is out there, even two years down the line

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by S-H » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:05 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:59 pm
i know you are being facetious SH but that is what a a lot of clubs with a long-term strategy would be doing., keeping tabs on what else is out there, even two years down the line
Absolutely, and rightly so, it's shame we have to do it for other reasons, however.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by wormley » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 pm

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Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:19 pm
With Dyche and Howe seemingly very much under consideration it would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of their respective league positions and net spend for the duration of their tenures.

Moyes wasn't here long enough to generate any meaningful data.
I've had a quick look and here's the data. I know it doesn't tell the whole story but there is generally a significant correlation between transfer spend and finishing position.

Bournemouth (last four PL season finishing positions)
14, 12, 9, 16
Total net spend
£119.35m (Avg 29.84m per season)

Burnley
15, 7, 16, 19
Total net spend
£59.6m (Avg 14.9m per season)

And let's throw West Ham in there:

10, 13, 11, 7
Total net spend
£110m (Avg 27.5m per season)

Make of it what you will.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Sloop John B » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:22 pm

wormley wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 pm
Make of it what you will.
I make of it that over a four year period our absolute shambles of a club has spent less than Howe's Bounemouth and Averaged 2 places higher in the table....

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Mikloskosglovebag » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:35 pm

He should have been sacked after the Spurs game. He will look like the badly treated - low shelf life manager if he’s sacked after a loss to Chelsea. Ideally after a thumping by Wolves, but they could be manager less by then.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by steveyrockstar » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:17 pm

libero wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:07 am
Stevey - Moyes did the job he was appointed for, yes, no doubt. But "winning most weeks and playing free flowing football" is not what I remember from his stay at West Ham

100% in agreement with you re Curbishly though
Think you slightly misread my post. I never said Moyes won most weeks and played free flowing football. Just that given the context of the appointment, and the predicament the team was in etc, I couldn't imagine ANY manager coming in and winning most games with free-flowing football. Therefore, I think it's a harsh brush to tarnish Moyes with if some people are saying he has the worst win % of any manager. He did a decent job under the circumstances I think.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by steveyrockstar » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:21 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:31 am
These guys are the most reliable of informants of all. They always know something, journo's and others do not. They cannot afford to get it wrong
Not entirely true. Betting odds for these sorts of markets also fluctuate based on what people are putting money on. Bookies may have received a load of bets on Howe recently.

That said, I firmly expect us to be interested in Howe (and seems like Ex's show alluded to that). Whether Howe would be interested in us is a much different matter!

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:26 pm

wormley wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 pm


Burnley
15, 7, 16, 19
Total net spend
£59.6m (Avg 14.9m per season)
Gotta hand it to that Dyche - I can't think of any other manager who could keep a club in the Premier League after finishing 19th.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Puff Daddy » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:35 pm

Eddie Howe doesn't bother with cup competitions either, you know, but he does play the right way and his Bournemouth team is really fit. If he comes, hopefully he will come with that Fraser and Brooks.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by uptonparkhurst » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:24 pm

I think Dyche would be a better fit for our current squad (than Howe) and also more likely to gain promotion if we're relegated.
Howe's preferred MO is 2 big mobile strikers that can bomb down the middle or out wide - problem is that only Antonio plays that way.Dyche's Burnley is a largely pace-less side that grinds out results.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by ageing hammer » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:28 pm

It's players we need not a new manager

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Iron-on-transfer » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:57 pm

So...while The Arse are likely to get Nuno....we'll probably get a Nunny.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:18 pm

wormley wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 pm

Bournemouth (last four PL season finishing positions)
14, 12, 9, 16
Total net spend
£119.35m (Avg 29.84m per season)


And let's throw West Ham in there:

10, 13, 11, 7
Total net spend
£110m (Avg 27.5m per season)

Make of it what you will.
So from that we can forecast that if we give Eddie Howe 8.5% MORE to spend than we've given WHU managers over the past 4 years, he will still finish on average 2.5 places *LOWER* in the league!

No thanks..

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by costa75 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:37 pm

wormley wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:07 pm
I've had a quick look and here's the data. I know it doesn't tell the whole story but there is generally a significant correlation between transfer spend and finishing position.

Bournemouth (last four PL season finishing positions)
14, 12, 9, 16
Total net spend
£119.35m (Avg 29.84m per season)

Burnley
15, 7, 16, 19
Total net spend
£59.6m (Avg 14.9m per season)

And let's throw West Ham in there:

10, 13, 11, 7
Total net spend
£110m (Avg 27.5m per season)

Make of it what you will.
What I make of it is the shocking fact that a club that gets a crowd of 10,000 has a bigger net spend than us. Is that right?

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by neathiron » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:44 pm

If we do sack Pellegrini and have to pay compensation, think its pretty much nailed on that Rice will be sold in January. Just so that the crooks can recoup their losses and some more.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:45 pm

costa75 wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:37 pm
What I make of it is the shocking fact that a club that gets a crowd of 10,000 has a bigger net spend than us. Is that right?
In the modern word crowd size has very little relative impact on a club's revenue. That said, it's amazing that Bournemouth stay on the right side of FFP - yes they were cited about 5 years ago but that's it.
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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by Cellar-door » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:47 pm

costa75 wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:37 pm
What I make of it is the shocking fact that a club that gets a crowd of 10,000 has a bigger net spend than us. Is that right?
Want to be really shocked... they have a bigger net spend than Liverpool since 2015 as well. Their Russian oligarch owner is pouring money in, Bournemouth may be a "small" club, but they're one of the 15 or so biggest spenders in Europe by net spend.

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:49 pm

Cellar-door wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:47 pm
Want to be really shocked... they have a bigger net spend than Liverpool since 2015 as well. Their Russian oligarch owner is pouring money in, Bournemouth may be a "small" club, but they're one of the 15 or so biggest spenders in Europe by net spend.
Especially since their owner's Net Worth is only apparently £700m!:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_o ... ier_League

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Re: Who Next? The odds

Post by S-H » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:55 pm

WestHamIFC wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:18 pm
So from that we can forecast that if we give Eddie Howe 8.5% MORE to spend than we've given WHU managers over the past 4 years, he will still finish on average 2.5 places *LOWER* in the league!

No thanks..
Exactly, never got the media hype, surrounding Howe, and this just proves that he bang average. But if your face fits, what do stats and facts matter, eh?

Now.. who's going to break it to hammerman11?

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