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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by IABATAC » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:41 am

With so much wrong with the club it's very difficult to know where to begin when it comes to protesting. Unfortunately, this plays directly into the hands of our owners - with so many groups and individuals, each with a multitude of axes to grind, there doesn't seem to be one core issue around which we can coalesce and launch a protest.

I realise that some on here weren't born or are too young to remember but during the Bond Scheme days we had a similar situation in some ways and yet in other ways things were very, very different. Yes the team were crap, yes the owners were the epitome of evil etc, etc but when the Bond Scheme was launched there was a unified reaction and it was a ONE ISSUE movement with such focus that ultimately the owners could not ignore it. And this was in the days before social media. There were three fanzines back then: OLAS, OTT and FAH and between them and the fans a sustained movement was born which resulted in the death of the Bond Scheme.* Fast forward nearly 30 years and with so many communication tools at our disposal and so many wrongs that need to be righted, how are we getting on?

Two years ago we came close to confronting the owners with a march until it collapsed in spectacular fashion just days before it was due to take place. Aside from a few hundred protesters gathering below the director's box (myself included) and a coin being thrown at Sully** we hardly channelled the spirit of the Bond Scheme protests. The only exception being Bubbles' symbolic seizing of the corner flag which was met with as many boos from those who had no idea what it meant as the cheers from those who did.

If we are to effect a change at this club we have to realise that focusing on the detail is holding us back. It is not about the move from the Boleyn. It is not about the lack of investment. It is not about the lies. It is not about the loans and interest payments. It is not about London being added to our name. It is not about Sully specials and ballsed up transfer deals. It is not about Brady's ill timed and ill informed tabloid utterances. It is not about how far from the pitch we are. It is not about a crap goalie. It is not about poor performances on the pitch. It is not about beer shelves. It is not about the badge. It is not about tourists. It is not about away fans in home ends. I could go on and on for days and still not cover everything. But please believe this - what piisses you off, doesn't necessarily piiss off the next person and this is where they will continue to divide us. However, the one thing that unites us all is the REASON behind whatever we find disagreeable at our club. It is constant and it is identifiable - THE OWNERS.

If anything is going to change we need one clear point of focus and in my opinion it has to be the removal of THE OWNERS. They have had 10 years and look where we are. They are responsible for everything and they have to go.

There are people with far more influence among our support than most could ever hope to have and it is to them that I appeal. Please get together and hammer*** out a plan of action that everyone can get behind regardless of their individual and specific grievances. Organise yourselves, then organise the fans and give us a platform on which to stand and oppose the root cause of all our problems. The angst and frustration is out there, it just needs to be harnessed.


* Long story short(ish) and I mention it here only because I know first hand what we as supporters were up against: At one point during the ongoing protests I came across a company that specialised in building sports stadia in such a way that there was a potentially huge financial benefit to a club like WHU that might make a Bond Scheme unnecessary. I contacted one of the fanzine editors and ended up in a meeting between, among others, the 3 fanzine editors, Peter Storey, the architects WHU had appointed and the sport stadia building company. The resistance coming from WHU was astonishing to me. I remember at one point that the 3 fanzine editors offered to pay for the sports stadia company to carry out surveys (there would be no cost to WHU for this) but this was rejected by WHU for reasons which to me made no sense - draw your own conclusions. Anyway, after seeing what appeared to be a desire to proceed with a Bond Scheme at all costs my resolve to protest against it was strengthened and this was true of the fanzines and their readers. Despite being up against what appeared to be impossible odds we supporters stood our ground and the end result is history and, I might add, a proud one which we have all failed to live up to given the current state of affairs. This needs to change and it is up to the fanzines of the 21st century, in all their many forms, to instigate this change.

** This definitely, 100%, absolutely happened because David Sullivan said so.

*** I make no apology for the pun

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by taffhammer » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:15 am

Cuenca 'ammer wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:34 pm

but spending money on the first team ? - nah
A supporters group asking them to spend on the first team won't make them do so but it will question their intentions.

Much better than doing nothing.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Up the Junction » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:19 am

Thank you, IABATAC - your post duly promoted:

https://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=43689

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Upminster Hammer » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:28 am

What are Andy Swallows bank details? how do i transfer him my £20?

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by The Sherriff » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:45 pm

mywhufc wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:25 pm
If the mountain wont go to mohammed then mohammed must go to the mountain.
WHUISA used to meet with the club as part of the SAB, the club reconised them.
Whuisa removed themselves from the SAB.
HU had a vote of their members, but no discussuion i saw on the merits of being on SAB or against. so for me loaded vote.
You claim they dont reconise you yet they answer your emails and have asked you to apply for SAB.
HU have fallen into their trap, the SAB ticks the boxes for UEFA and premier league they will never go against teh club.
If what youve got to say on behalf of your members is so important, Join SAB, stand up in the room and say it to them.
Let them throw you out if its not to their liking.
I saw PP take on Brady at an SAB meeting, got her to sqwirm a bit. He did it to her face.
They will not come to you, play them at their own game, you have nothing to lose
As for protest
You should of done it in 2014 not 2020, means **** all now, as they won the day they rubber stamped the move with just a few complaing against it.
Nige – with respect mate that’s only your view and I dare say not representative of either groups members.

Theres no way I would endorse HU or the ISA to sit alongside the OSB. By doing so you are approving their means and methods, abiding by their blinkered T&C’s.

Majority of the OSB made up by hand picked members with partial attendance from independent, democratic groups … hows that going to work?. It would be more farcical than the previous, staged meetings with no positive outcome.

The OSB and sub meetings have achieved the square some of **** all, with the outputs skewed. It’s a completely redundant movement which can not hold the club to account in any way, shape or form.

What good did speaking out at such forums do previously? Whilst those efforts are appreciated ... it didn't change anything. They carried on and did what they always intended to do. So HU get kicked out … the whole process will then have to start again.

A more hard line approach is needed, they wont listen … they have never have done and certainly wont make any attempt too now.

Never dance to their tune.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by goa127 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:11 pm

The post from IABATAC (sorry if that's wrong) Is very comprehensive and sums the issue up very well. However that's really the problem, the supporters want rid of the owners but they don't want to go. They do physically own the club so it's not like we can take legal action or anything they have to make the decision themselves. Many theories have been advanced regarding persuading them but realistically they can just sit in their bunker and ignore us if they wish.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by e10hammer » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:30 pm

Pinky is spot on as usual regarding the owners and their tenure. As for protests, far too late in my opinion, we should have shouted loud and proud when they decided to sell our home and move us to the Olympic stadium, many on this site put up arguments against a disastrous move to a completely unsuitable stadium, too late now to change anything, nothing short of demolishing it and starting again will do, and that ain't happening. I was never taken in by promises of moving to challenge the top 4, there is no Guarantees of that no matter how much money you spend, besides I never become a Supporter back in the 60's because of challenging for honours, it was because they were my local team playing decent football in a great stadium with great support and history, all of which is being eroded away, and the owners couldn't care less about.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Graza » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:30 pm

goa127 wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:11 pm
The post from IABATAC (sorry if that's wrong) Is very comprehensive and sums the issue up very well. However that's really the problem, the supporters want rid of the owners but they don't want to go. They do physically own the club so it's not like we can take legal action or anything they have to make the decision themselves. Many theories have been advanced regarding persuading them but realistically they can just sit in their bunker and ignore us if they wish.
Or sit on the terrace and claim they were heavily coined despite there being not a single shred of evidence.

The issue is that until they don't have to pay out the gov if they sell they won't even consider selling.

The flip side of that is that last time it got directed at them they finally allowed some of the money they hadn't allowed to be reinvested in the team to be used on the team. It's a long way to the summer though and no chance they'll open their moth ridden wallets in Jan.

I do agree with the base point from IABATAC though, everyone is pissed off about a combination of things but all of them have in their roots three letters GSB.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Samba » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:34 pm

Upminster Hammer wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:28 am
What are Andy Swallows bank details? how do i transfer him my £20?
Meet him at the Podium Bar.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Samba » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:36 pm

goa127 wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:11 pm
The post from IABATAC (sorry if that's wrong) Is very comprehensive and sums the issue up very well. However that's really the problem, the supporters want rid of the owners but they don't want to go. They do physically own the club so it's not like we can take legal action or anything they have to make the decision themselves. Many theories have been advanced regarding persuading them but realistically they can just sit in their bunker and ignore us if they wish.
Got them out of their seats on 10/3/18..

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by TheHandOfDog » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:32 pm

I agree with the sentiment of it's too late now, we have already been sold down the river, it isn't happening nor is it further down the line. We also have a fan base that is just as angry with other sections of the fan base as they are with our ownership. Protesting with your feet and wallet is pretty much the only way to change anything.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Overchuffed » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:17 pm

How long did the Bond Scheme protests actually go on for?
The deal was done at the end of the 1991/92 season if I remember rightly. Yet the picture in the article on the main page shows fans protesting on the pitch which must have been 1995 or later as you can see the Centenary Stand in the background. The early infamous protests were while we still had terraces at each end.
Just wondering if the Telegraphs picture was actually fans campaigning against something else?

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by DM » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:25 pm

Upminster Hammer wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:28 am
What are Andy Swallows bank details? how do i transfer him my £20?
I'm still waiting to find out where my last £20 ended up?

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Believer » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:16 pm

Up the Junction wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:19 am
Thank you, IABATAC - your post duly promoted:

https://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=43689

:thup:

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Samba » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:33 pm

DM wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:25 pm
I'm still waiting to find out where my last £20 ended up?
On holiday with Cliff Richard apparently.

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Kialos » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:47 pm

Up the Junction wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:19 am
Thank you, IABATAC - your post duly promoted:

https://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=43689

That's a wonderful article by IABATAC

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Northbank Bar » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:12 am

Up the Junction wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:19 am
Thank you, IABATAC - your post duly promoted:

https://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=43689

That's a wonderful article by IABATAC

Bravo IABATAC.Perhaps this is the call to arms the fans needed.

Hammers United are most definitely up for the fight.We would welcome the chance to meet with other West Ham groups.-No egos,no personal agendas,one common aim.-With everyone on board,100% committed ,it could be done.We could get our club back.

We will post this round social media.Lets get the ball rolling.
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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Diogenes » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:17 pm

Is it still on? :wink:

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Re: Protests against the board being planned

Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:30 pm

Diogenes wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it still on? :wink:
nah..

(not unless we lose the next game)

:wink:

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