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Post by hammers92 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:35 pm

So this week's midweek fixtures are being shown on Amazon. What's everyone's thoughts?

I reckon it could be the start of putting Sky's noses out of joint. Would the non-match day going fan choose a yearly subscription of just West Ham matches or everything else?

Of course, we get the nonsense in kick off times still, Leicester play Liverpool at 8pm on Boxing Day. And I would imagine Amazon would want to broadcast further into America meaning traditional kick off times under threat.

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Post by alf git » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:47 pm

The genie is well and truly out of the bottle as far as TV fixtures are concerned. The only concern is the armchair viewer. It's too late to moan about it now.
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Post by Puff Daddy » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:05 pm

Terrible employers with their zero hours employment contracts. They'd better hope Corbyn doesn't win the election, as he's pledged to go after companies such as these

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Post by Clacton-ammer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:21 pm

Wolves thread I saw Amazon, is this their first week of showing football then????

Will let you know Thursday what I thought about how they done with commentary/pundits/coverage.

That ship has sailed Alf, aloooong time ago.

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Post by CentenaryUpperHammer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:37 pm

Their ensemble is not exactly game changing, consisting of:

- Michael Owen
- Alan Shearer
- Jermaine Jenas
- Gabby Logan
- Lee Dixon

I can't imagine it's going to be anything groundbreaking but this is now a 3rd subscription we pay for in order to watch football. Insane.

I don't get why (money I guess) the Premier League don't do all their own production, like the NFL. One subscription. One place for all Premier League football. Crazy that the US/UAE have better access to live games than us in the UK, unless you want to rely on a streaming service which is prone to breaking down etc.

Everyone wants to talk about affordability of football but nothing is being done. Ticket prices are rising & the cost of watching it at home is even worse.

If the Premier League were to offer a subscription at anywhere between £15-£30 a month for a full coverage service, people would bite their hands off but I guess those cheques from Sky/BT/Amazon are too good.

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Post by thejackhammer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:44 pm

Amazon suit the armchair fan wonderfully.

One 8:15 kick off so you can watch the second half of that game when your game of preference finishes, switching between games at will, fairly sure you'll be able to start watching late without worrying about recording or pausing.

Can't see it being good news for the match attending fan. I foresee some bizarre kick off times and lots of rearranged matches.

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Post by Eggs'n'nuts » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:49 pm

CentenaryUpperHammer wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:37 pm
If the Premier League were to offer a subscription at anywhere between £15-£30 a month for a full coverage service, people would bite their hands off but I guess those cheques from Sky/BT/Amazon are too good.
And it saves them all the hassle of setting up a dedicated channel and everything that goes along with it. Along with that, the clubs would still want their £100 million plus every season, so I'd be very surprised if it would only be £15-£30 per month.

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Post by Burnley Hammer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:05 pm
Terrible employers with their zero hours employment contracts. They'd better hope Corbyn doesn't win the election, as he's pledged to go after companies such as these
Yep - I've boycotted them this Christmas. I'm purely using British companies that don't have a reputation for tax avoidance.

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Post by ohsnap » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:50 pm

love all these people calling those of us who watch on tv armchair fans yet they are the same people who moan about the board and want them out yet will happily handover money to them for a ST. Can't win :arry:

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Post by Row X » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:53 pm

thejackhammer wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:44 pm
Amazon suit the armchair fan wonderfully.

One 8:15 kick off so you can watch the second half of that game when your game of preference finishes, switching between games at will, fairly sure you'll be able to start watching late without worrying about recording or pausing.

Can't see it being good news for the match attending fan. I foresee some bizarre kick off times and lots of rearranged matches.
I've also heard that will have one stream that is the same as the NFL RedZone coverage, where they chop and change between games when there is a chance or a goal scored etc.

Fantastic if you're sat at home and are a neutral. Not sure you'd get how the game is going, like was the goal against the run of play etc.

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Post by alf git » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:58 pm

ohsnap wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:50 pm
love all these people calling those of us who watch on tv armchair fans yet they are the same people who moan about the board and want them out yet will happily handover money to them for a ST. Can't win :arry:
Nobody has called anyone out. Armchair fan has been mentioned once. Other than that though, keep up the good work :thup:

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Post by Pentonville » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:03 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... efty-price

This is a link to Barney Ronay's piece in today's Guardian - it echo's the sentiments already expressed in this thread.

I would thoroughly agree with the comments about Amazon's track record in tax-avoidance and in putting small and medium sized UK retailers (and their employees) out of business. Screening the PL is just another business strategy to widen their control over the UK market. On the football side, I was wondering why away tickets to Southampton and Palace were going so slowly, given the complaints earlier on in the season about 'unfairness' accessing away games (see Away tickets thread). As i don't use social media very much I had missed the Amazon development, but it is clear this is a big factor. Its sad, if it is the case, that some supporters are taking the Amazon bait and staying at home. This really would be the end game of commercialisation of football when not just the casuals but some hardened away game regulars stop going to live game in favour of TV coverage. Sure, its free as against £30 plus travel plus food over a day, but that surely was never the point.

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Post by Pentonville » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:08 pm

ohsnap wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:50 pm
love all these people calling those of us who watch on tv armchair fans yet they are the same people who moan about the board and want them out yet will happily handover money to them for a ST. Can't win :arry:
Its precisely because I am a ST holder that I have the right to want an accountable and investment committed set of owners. There is no 'happily handing over money'. Anyway, the board will be quite happy with the Amazon deal presumably more profits not flowing back into the club.

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Post by davids cross » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:18 pm

I watched the 2018 US Open Tennis on Amazon because they had gained the rights for the tennis.

It was a shambles. Terrible picture. Was generally thought of by nearly everyone as useless.

Watched again in 2019........My picture again was awful, like watching sport through a shiny eye glass. Though others thought it had improved on the previous year.

I won't be bothering. Where do you stop ???

I've got Sky with Sky Sports. BT Sport. Racing TV. .......I am just not going to keep shelling money out as football gets spread around the channels.

Yes, I can afford it if I really want to. But I hate the drip, drip , drip of paying out money for yet another channel. Then you need £20 or so if you want to watch any of the boxing.

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Post by Wembley1966 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:21 pm

Details of all the commentators, pundits, etc and on our match tomorrow evening:
https://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=175305&start=240#p5572010

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Post by Denzil » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:35 pm

Talk of the premier league taking ownership of their rights again and starting a netflix/spotify type subscription of a tenner a month (globally) to show all games in the future.

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Post by e-20 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:41 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:05 pm
Terrible employers with their zero hours employment contracts. They'd better hope Corbyn doesn't win the election, as he's pledged to go after companies such as these
Will be interesting to see how he would go about that. Macron is already trying to do something in this area and is getting retaliatory action from the US. While taxing foreign online based businesses is not strightforward. Until there is universal, at least on a European basis, agreement on a 'tax on turnover' approach it's going to be a game of cat and mouse I reckon. Even a foreign owned Company like Cadbury is successfully playing that game as it stands and refusing it's tax bill. And we Brits do love to sell off our assets for a quick buck to exacerbate this problem.

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Post by steveyrockstar » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:42 pm

Is this the first ever Prem match streamed on Prime? I have Prime (sorry), but never heard of them doing football before, only the tennis.

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Post by Pob! » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:45 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:05 pm
Terrible employers with their zero hours employment contracts. They'd better hope Corbyn doesn't win the election, as he's pledged to go after companies such as these
Nephew loves working for them, works whatever hours he wants whenever he wants (within reason)

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Post by Estuary » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:49 pm

Pentonville wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:03 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... efty-price

This is a link to Barney Ronay's piece in today's Guardian - it echo's the sentiments already expressed in this thread.

I would thoroughly agree with the comments about Amazon's track record in tax-avoidance and in putting small and medium sized UK retailers (and their employees) out of business. Screening the PL is just another business strategy to widen their control over the UK market. On the football side, I was wondering why away tickets to Southampton and Palace were going so slowly, given the complaints earlier on in the season about 'unfairness' accessing away games (see Away tickets thread). As i don't use social media very much I had missed the Amazon development, but it is clear this is a big factor. Its sad, if it is the case, that some supporters are taking the Amazon bait and staying at home. This really would be the end game of commercialisation of football when not just the casuals but some hardened away game regulars stop going to live game in favour of TV coverage. Sure, its free as against £30 plus travel plus food over a day, but that surely was never the point.
Amazon devour whatever medium they look to move into. They have obliterated the established business models for nearly every existing industry they touch and it will be the same for football. First they will build a huge viewer (consumer) base, done mostly through ruthless price cutting, then when they have depressed the margin that the competitors can achieve they are left as the only significant player in that market, able to dictate terms and service levels they start to nibble away at the content providers margins, which will signal the end for many clubs unless they shed costs now.

Be assured Amazon have no regard for traditions, or histories or anything other than hoovering up as many consumers as possible and using those numbers to batter the life out of any value between them and the consumer.

Tonight sees the beginning of the final chapter for football as we understood it, for supporters, clubs and people inside the football industry alike, nothing survives intact.

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