David Moyes - 18th Permanent Manager of WHUFC

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Re: David Moyes

Post by jacko » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:27 am

This fallacy of him sorting out the defence. We conceded 45 goals under him in 27 games. Did he sort out the defence at Sunderland?

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:27 am

Would we be entitled to a refund?

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Re: David Moyes: should he stay or should he go? [POLL]

Post by SoCal Hammer » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:28 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:06 am

This is the man who played Kouyate as a number 10 to help give knockdowns to Arnoutovuc
To be fair, he is also the man who turned Arnautovic from an ineffective winger into one of the best forwards in the league. I'm not a fan of our board in any shape or form but given the choice between Moyes and Pellegrini I know who I would prefer in the dugout on New Years Day.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by MrHammer73 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:28 am

One thing I did like about Moyes when he was last here, is that he seemed to like the club, fans and was respectful. He seemed privileged to manage us and that was a positive thing.

Is he the right choice now? I would say no but he is the only candidate that sticks out for our crap owners and that means he will get the job. Just hope he instills some passion in the team and will try to play the football the fans want to see. He will be on a longer contract and will know risk free football will not do for the fans.
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Re: David Moyes

Post by jacko » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:29 am

MrHammer73 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:28 am
One thing I did like about Moyes when he was last here, is that he seemed to like the club, fans and was respectful. He seemed privileged to manage us and that was a positive thing.

It's because he was so grateful for the job. No one else would have appointed him as his stock was so low.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Ironing Board » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:30 am

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Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:22 am
Still spot a player? What are you basing that on exactly? Hugill?

Who did we put to the sword?
Perhaps John Stones, Seamus Coleman, Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar, Marouanne Fellaini, etc etc...

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Re: David Moyes

Post by -DL- » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:33 am

jacko wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:29 am
It's because he was so grateful for the job. No one else would have appointed him as his stock was so low.
Having to put so much objectivity in today - how do we know he hadn't been approached by other clubs? How do we know he has been approached by other clubs and he decided not to take the job?

We speak like we know these things, but we don't. he may have been approached for all we know, he may not have been - but to state it as fact that he hasn't simply because he's not been in a role is rather misleading at best.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by jacko » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:35 am

-DL- wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:33 am
Having to put so much objectivity in today - how do we know he hadn't been approached by other clubs? How do we know he has been approached by other clubs and he decided not to take the job?

We speak like we know these things, but we don't. he may have been approached for all we know, he may not have been - but to state it as fact that he hasn't simply because he's not been in a role is rather misleading at best.
Well you are either managing a club or you aren't. And in between us sacking him he was unemployed. He failed at Sunderland and there may have been mitigating factors but he didn't work again until we came knocking. I'm sure if he had had a better offer than us in that time then he would have taken it.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Doc H Ball » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:36 am

Ironing Board wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:30 am
Perhaps John Stones, Seamus Coleman, Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar, Marouanne Fellaini, etc etc...
You do go back a bit.

What’s Patrice doing these days?

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Cottee » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:36 am

A 25% win ratio since leaving Man Utd.

I have no idea why the bloke still gets lauded as a great manager, based on what he did at Everton many moons ago.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Junco Partner » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:36 am

Would be an idiotic appointment on so many levels.

No style, no cachet to attract signings, no vision for the future, questionable 'eye' for a player....just a massive step back.

He shipped 3 or 4 goals a game in his last stint here including to the likes of Burnley, Swansea and Brighton, whoever suggested he will sort the defence out is kidding himself.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by steveyrockstar » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:37 am

aaronhammer wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:43 am
Pellegrini last 27 league games at West Ham
W 9
D 5
L 13
GF 36
GA 44
GD -8
Pts 32

Moyes 27 league games in 2017/18 at West Ham
W 8
D 9
L 10
GF 37
GA 45
GD -8
Pts 33

#NextLevel
While I agree with the sentiment, let's not overlook context. Moyes took over an unfit team in complete freefall, on a short-term contract. As much as I believe Pellers was shafted in the summer window, he still had a squad largely shaped in his image, and had made a few big buys the summer previous.

I always felt Moyes did an ok job last time he was there and deserved a longer term contract to see what he could do given time. I also felt a lot of the animosity towards him was built on preconceptions rather than our performances under him.

All that said, to crawl back to Moyes after we shunned him for a "glamour" appointment is, as someone else wrote above, rather farcical.

It'll likely end in tears with him, but then I think it will end in tears with anyone we appoint. Rafa is probably the safest bet.
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Re: David Moyes

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:37 am

True - perhaps he has been saving himself for the West Ham opportunity once again

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Re: David Moyes

Post by HammerMan2004 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:38 am

Telegraph say Moyes will be offered an 18 month deal today.

Short term again.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Knighter10WHU » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:38 am

I was very undecided about giving Moyes a longer contract or appointing Pellegrini last summer but in the end was sold by Pellegrini’s credentials and the possibility of attacking football.

In the end I got it wrong, the club got it wrong. Moyes was doing a good job, boring at times, but did what was asked of him. I think we as fans need to remember who the owners are, they’ve lied about next level, they will never be able to take us there (Either through choice or bank balance), Moyes will keep us up, year after year, maybe we might build something like Everton did under Moyes longer term.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by Knighter10WHU » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:38 am

HammerMan2004 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:38 am
Telegraph say Moyes will be offered an 18 month deal today.

Short term again.
Not short term, that’s standard term for most premier league managers these days

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Re: David Moyes

Post by jacko » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:39 am

Ironing Board wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:30 am
Perhaps John Stones, Seamus Coleman, Tim Cahill, Steven Pienaar, Marouanne Fellaini, etc etc...
You really are digging into the football annals for those signings mate. I pitcture you in a loft, blowing dust off the sports almanac from almost 20 years ago.

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Re: David Moyes

Post by S-H » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:41 am

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Re: David Moyes

Post by hadleighhammer » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:44 am

-DL- wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:33 am
Having to put so much objectivity in today - how do we know he hadn't been approached by other clubs? How do we know he has been approached by other clubs and he decided not to take the job?

We speak like we know these things, but we don't. he may have been approached for all we know, he may not have been - but to state it as fact that he hasn't simply because he's not been in a role is rather misleading at best.
Objectively what do you think is the more likely scenario - numerous clubs approached him and as an out of work manager with a damaged reputation he turned them down, whilst then subsequently taking on our absolute shitstorm scenario on a short term deal reeking of someone absolutely desperate for any work, or no clubs approached him until we did as his stock was so low?

Personally, the absolute negative dinosaur **** can f*** off. Can't wait to spend my time and money watching us grind out points here and there and do enough for GS&B to get the 17th place they desire whilst unforgiveably throwing away cup games. :scarfer:

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Re: David Moyes

Post by hammer1975 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:45 am

I’m with DL :thup:

I think some overestimate how attractive we would be as a club to manage currently with our recent form and the owners. Moyes is one of the few who could leverage what he’s done before to get some level of control that Sullivan would not give up to an unproven manager.

Whilst the football under Moyes was poor last time there were a few games where we were good to watch - and the context at the time was utterly terrible football under Slav too.

If he comes in and keeps us up and signs some decent competitive players to be safely mid table next season we’ll hopefully then see the owners sell up and we can actually progress as a club.

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