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The McDonald's of football

Post by richneal » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:36 am

'Now we have eight': Manchester City’s sister clubs spread the word across the worldhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ball-group

Now I'm a cynical, miserable, old git at the best of times, but even I didn't realise it was this bad . . .

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Post by szola » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:01 am

Bad?
We try and apply consistency to all our clubs, use central methodology resources to work with the football directors, providing information, knowledge and reference points regarding what would be good choices for them.
It’s very detailed, if you look at our style, it’s about rotation. Playing through the lines. Building from the back. Combinations. Possession-based that has to have an outcome.
Beyond on-field success, the global football department’s remit is to develop players and provide a school for coaches, sport scientists and potential future managers of CFG clubs. One day this could include filling the biggest job of all: managing Manchester City.
The stats tell you one thing but the other aspect is: what is the person like? The person’s culture? We’re very keen to promote good values, behaviours, people that fit with our group. You don’t always get that but you should try.
Affording managers the time to establish themselves at a club in a febrile football industry that does not always allow it is vital.
You might have a great coach but he might be in a bad environment and that might go against him. His win percentage will reduce because it’s the bad environment, not necessarily because of him. You may have a good environment and not a great coach but he might succeed because the environment is strong. If you get the right person you know he’s probably going to be humble and accepting of help or support.
This is textbook example of good management. Imo.

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Post by Adrianisournumber1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:56 am

richneal wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:36 am
'Now we have eight': Manchester City’s sister clubs spread the word across the worldhttps://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ball-group

Now I'm a cynical, miserable, old git at the best of times, but even I didn't realise it was this bad . . .
Don’t we have a few clubs over the world or did I dream that.

Sure we had or have one in Australia

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Heysel76 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am

That makes us the greasy burger van of football then!

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Adrianisournumber1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:01 am

Adrianisournumber1 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:56 am
Don’t we have a few clubs over the world or did I dream that.

Sure we had or have one in Australia

Scrap that is Nigeria Ifeanyi Ubah F.C.they even play in claret and blue

Partnership not really that we own them https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37143471

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by wormley » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:23 am

Heysel76 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am
That makes us the greasy burger van of football then!
Lols, when the bloke selling the burgers hasn't washed his hands all day, despite going for multiple slashes behind the van and touching dirty coin.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Rays Rock » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:34 pm

How depressingly corporate and clinical.
I don’t envy very much about the mapped out and ordered world that kids are brought up in now.
It’s a stretch, but at least we here at West Ham are offering the world the highlight of a dis-functionality.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by sendô » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 pm

The corporate world of modern football.

No doubt set up so that they can try and get the best talent from these upcoming leagues, and any promising ones get sent over to Manchester.

The reality is we need to do the same to merely keep up.

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Post by il_martello_di_genovesi » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:19 pm

More stadiums around the world to not fill.
sendô wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 pm

No doubt set up so that they can try and get the best talent from these upcoming leagues, and any promising ones get sent over to Manchester.
Well they've already signed Mix Diskerud and Daniel Arzani from their US and Australian versions and neither have made an appearance for their main side yet after signing them 2 years ago. Diskerud isn't even a young player, so have no idea what that was about.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Rays Rock » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:01 pm

sendô wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 pm
The corporate world of modern football.

No doubt set up so that they can try and get the best talent from these upcoming leagues, and any promising ones get sent over to Manchester.
The reality is we need to do the same to merely keep up.
Or we could just get our own house in order and concentrate on being a great Football club for the people in the local and regional areas.
Impressive as that City model sounds, absolutely none of that is of any interest or wow factor to me or probably to anyone outside of the boardrooms. It’s not sport.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Graza » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:39 pm

sendô wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 pm
The corporate world of modern football.

No doubt set up so that they can try and get the best talent from these upcoming leagues, and any promising ones get sent over to Manchester.

The reality is we need to do the same to merely keep up.
3rd party influence, I demand a march for justice etc. etc.

Seriously though this shouldn't be allowed.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by sendô » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:09 pm

It's all in foreignish countries, and teams not in the same competitions as Citeh, so not sure how it could be conflict of interest.

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Post by Graza » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:20 pm

sendô wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:09 pm
It's all in foreignish countries, and teams not in the same competitions as Citeh, so not sure how it could be conflict of interest.
Couple of European ones though so could in theory end up in the same UEFA competition? Even if they ended up playing each other in the world club cup it would be dodgy. It's why the red bull speculation and us was never going to amount to anything.

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Post by Greatest Cockney Rip Off » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:14 pm

Heysel76 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:57 am
That makes us the greasy burger van of football then!
It actually makes us the food bank of football. Relying on taxpayer's money for a stadium and currently looking for loan players.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Heysel76 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:29 pm

Food banks don't make a profit....

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Post by Bamber Gascoigne » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:58 pm

McDonalds?

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No chance while he's on the scene....

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by psychoscoredthelot » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:40 pm

:thup:

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by White Goodman » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:41 pm

I'm not impressed. Yeah it's good management and probably the model for how to run a modern club but the c**** are still about 17 points behind Liverpool so they can f*** right off.

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by szola » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:42 am

[quote=Graza post_id=5601611 time=1579019986 user_id=38138]Seriously though this shouldn't be allowed.[/quote]

In Italy you have dual ownership
In Spain you have second teams competing up to the second highest tier of their domestic league
In England you can have as many players on the books as you like, and loan them out

What is the big difference?

At least Manchester City spend time and effort to modernise the clubs, bringing coaches and infrastructure up to speed
My guess would be that the football these teams play is now better, the players develop faster and further, and the supporters watching are enjoying themselves
The talents are always bought by the richer teams

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Re: The McDonald's of football

Post by Graza » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:12 pm

szola wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:42 am
In Italy you have dual ownership
In Spain you have second teams competing up to the second highest tier of their domestic league
In England you can have as many players on the books as you like, and loan them out

What is the big difference?

At least Manchester City spend time and effort to modernise the clubs, bringing coaches and infrastructure up to speed
My guess would be that the football these teams play is now better, the players develop faster and further, and the supporters watching are enjoying themselves
The talents are always bought by the richer teams
They absolutely do.

Italy has a wonderful record for fairness and lack of corruption
Span has an awesomely deep and competitive league system helped so much by the B teams to create strong new blood flowing into that dynamic non monopoly top tier
Loans are such a backbone of enhancing and moving on young British talent and talent from all around the world that our system of 4/5 teams having 6 teams worth of players and loaning them out by the dozen to unearth a single player who can make it has made the richest league in the world even richer, and in no way stifles the growth of mid range teams by turning the heads of their kids then killing their careers.

Just because you can do such a thing and just because others do such a thing does not make it a good thing.

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